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I found the introduction to the kidney didn't flow very nicely and each sentence and paragraph were just points added in. Also, the grammar and punctuation in the introduction paragraph needs to be edited. The final thing that needs to be altered in the introduction paragraph is the links that have just been placed in. I'm not sure if they are the references but if so they need to be referenced correctly. The anatomical position and kidney structure are written really well! The only improvement I could make is with figure one and two reference them within the writing e.g. "Their inner structure can be divided into 2 main areas: the outer cortex, and the inner medulla, as illustrated in Figure 2", otherwise this section is really great. The timeline of the kidney embryology is good - basic outline which makes it easy to follow such a complex process. To make the page flow in a more succinct manner I think it would be good to put the kidney timeline under the kidney development heading instead of separating the two as the kidney development information expands on the timeline really well. The kidney development information is really good, and I think the images really complete it. However, the link at the end of nephrogenesis needs to be referenced correctly with intext. Also under blood supply, it says "THIS IS COPY AND PASTE" so I'm not sure if that's copied off another page or your own notes but that needs to be fixed. The abnormality section was really good and current research is a really interesting thing to include, that section just needs some more information which I'm sure you guys are already on top of! Overall its a really great page, good effort.
 
I found the introduction to the kidney didn't flow very nicely and each sentence and paragraph were just points added in. Also, the grammar and punctuation in the introduction paragraph needs to be edited. The final thing that needs to be altered in the introduction paragraph is the links that have just been placed in. I'm not sure if they are the references but if so they need to be referenced correctly. The anatomical position and kidney structure are written really well! The only improvement I could make is with figure one and two reference them within the writing e.g. "Their inner structure can be divided into 2 main areas: the outer cortex, and the inner medulla, as illustrated in Figure 2", otherwise this section is really great. The timeline of the kidney embryology is good - basic outline which makes it easy to follow such a complex process. To make the page flow in a more succinct manner I think it would be good to put the kidney timeline under the kidney development heading instead of separating the two as the kidney development information expands on the timeline really well. The kidney development information is really good, and I think the images really complete it. However, the link at the end of nephrogenesis needs to be referenced correctly with intext. Also under blood supply, it says "THIS IS COPY AND PASTE" so I'm not sure if that's copied off another page or your own notes but that needs to be fixed. The abnormality section was really good and current research is a really interesting thing to include, that section just needs some more information which I'm sure you guys are already on top of! Overall its a really great page, good effort.
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I believe the headings chosen cover a sufficient amount of points you need in order to describe kidney development!
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Referencing needs to be changed, its easy to use the code <ref> < pubmed >INSERT PUB MED ID< /pubmed > </ref> and that automatically makes a reference for you!
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When describing position, explain what retroperitoneal means, its not commonly known and also Thoracic 12 (T12) so people know what T12 refers too.
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For images, you need to find the copyright information and reference them properly, Mark has step by step instructions on what needs to be included in the image description. There aren’t many references in the first section of the page, it would benefit if you included some. Under nephrogenesis, point 3, you can find the articles pubmed ID and add the reference in that way instead of manually doing it.
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For developmental abnormalities, I feel like this could be explained better, it gets technical straight away and this can become quite confusing.
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Current research and questions need to be worked on but I’m sure that’s whats intended.
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Overall I think the content on this page is very relevant to kidney development and it was interesting to read. The two major things you should fix are image copyright and references and intext referencing.

Revision as of 21:40, 9 October 2017

Student Projects: 1 Cerebral Cortex | 2 Kidney | 3 Heart | 4 Eye | 5 Lung | 6 Cerebellum
Student Page - here is the sample page I demonstrated with in the first labs.I remind all students that you have your own Group Forum on Moodle for your discussions, it is only accessible by members of your group.
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  1. The key points relating to the topic that your group allocated are clearly described.
  2. The choice of content, headings and sub-headings, diagrams, tables, graphs show a good understanding of the topic area.
  3. Content is correctly cited and referenced.
  4. The wiki has an element of teaching at a peer level using the student's own innovative diagrams, tables or figures and/or using interesting examples or explanations.
  5. Evidence of significant research relating to basic and applied sciences that goes beyond the formal teaching activities.
  6. Relates the topic and content of the Wiki entry to learning aims of embryology.
  7. Clearly reflects on editing/feedback from group peers and articulates how the Wiki could be improved (or not) based on peer comments/feedback. Demonstrates an ability to review own work when criticised in an open edited wiki format. Reflects on what was learned from the process of editing a peer's wiki.
  8. Evaluates own performance and that of group peers to give a rounded summary of this wiki process in terms of group effort and achievement.
  9. The content of the wiki should demonstrate to the reader that your group has researched adequately on this topic and covered the key areas necessary to inform your peers in their learning.
  10. Develops and edits the wiki entries in accordance with the above guidelines.
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The image must first be uploaded to the site.

  1. Open the left hand menu item “Toolbox” and click “Upload file” and a new window will open.
  2. Click the button ”Choose file” and navigate to where the image is located on your computer and double click the file.
  3. The window will now show the file name in the “Source filename” window.
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All references used in making your project page should be cited where they appear in the text or images.

In page edit mode where XXXX is the PubMed ID number use the following code.

<ref name=”PMIDXXXX”><pubmed>XXXX</pubmed></ref>

For references not listed on PubMed, and text can be inserted between <ref></ref> tags.

Where the reference list will appear make a new section and on a new line the following code. <references/>

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"Plagiarism at UNSW is defined as using the words or ideas of others and passing them off as your own." (extract from UNSW statement on Academic Honesty and Plagiarism)

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Please also read Copyright Tutorial with regard to content that can be used in your project.

About the Discussion Page

This should be considered as the "other side" of the project page. It is an area where you can:

  1. Assemble resources.
  2. Add useful links.
  3. Discuss your project with team members. (Please do not use student names on any page on this Wiki)
  4. Paste your Peer Assessments. (Added anonymously, do not identify yourself)


Mark Hill (talk) 10:15, 14 August 2017 (AEST) OK Group 2 below are some starting places.

Renal Links: renal | Lecture - Renal | Lecture Movie | urinary bladder | Stage 13 | Stage 22 | Fetal | Renal Movies | Stage 22 Movie | renal histology | renal abnormalities | Molecular | Category:Renal
Historic Embryology - Renal  
1905 Uriniferous Tubule Development | 1907 Urogenital images | 1911 Cloaca | 1921 Urogenital Development | 1915 Renal Artery | 1917 Urogenital System | 1925 Horseshoe Kidney | 1926 Embryo 22 Somites | 1930 Mesonephros 10 to 12 weeks | 1931 Horseshoe Kidney | 1932 Renal Absence | 1939 Ureteric Bud Agenesis | 1943 Renal Position

PubMed Searches: Renal Development | Kidney Development

BMC Dev Biol Search: Renal Development

Recent papers

<pubmed limit=5>Renal+Development</pubmed>


Yay.

Z5178275 (talk) 16:48, 10 August 2017 (AEST) I'm keen to do anything, but I think the brain is a little to complex for me. It also seems like a lot of other groups want to do that as well.

Cynthia here, I don't want to do the brain lol. I don't mind anything else though

Z5076039 (talk) 17:03, 10 August 2017 (AEST)


Peer Reviews

This page is very informative and easy to read. I like the way it begins with the anatomy of the kidney in the developed human, and then progresses through its embryological development. The inclusion of developmental timeline table aids the flow of the page. Images are well integrated into the page with informative descriptions, however are not correctly referenced and do include the suitable Copyright statement. The page references well, but many sections are still unfinished. The page would benefit from a glossary at the end, and the "general info on the renal system" section should be included higher up on the page, or integrated into one of the other sections such as under the "kidney" heading. This page is very easy to read, but still needs some work.

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References should be cited correctly, i.e. don’t leave the links in the paragraphs and use proper citation. The images used should include references, copyright statements as well as the Student Image template required. If there are copyright images the team could be innovative and use their own diagrams to display structures. Use references for the ‘Timeline of Kidney Embryology’ to show that a variety of sources were used to complete the table. Current Research and Future Questions subheading is incomplete. Glossary of terms could be used to explain certain words, for example explaining in simple terms what GDNF and RET are.

Subheadings and content that have been used show a good understanding of the topic area. The team has bolded important words in relation to the kidney structure. The team has also placed a description under the images which allows readers to understand what the image is showing. The use of a table of ‘Timeline of Kidney’ allows readers to understand the content of the wikipage easily (maybe add images to the table). The team has shown comprehensive research; however, they need to show more referencing of sources to display the research that they have done.

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Overall this seems like a very well put together project and is very informative and easy to follow, and enjoyable to read. There is an appropriate balance of both text and visual diagrams, which greatly helped my understanding of the development of the kidneys. Figure 4 appears to be missing a reference. I do think perhaps an animation to explain nephron development may add additional clarity, and would provide another level of interaction for the reader. Perhaps also think about adding a student drawn diagram. The table is a great way to display the developmental stages in an easy to read manner. The ‘blood supply’ section appears to be copy and paste which I assume will be rewritten? The section on current research is simply a list of PubMed links, and should be expanded to display content that is informative to the reader. Likewise, ‘questions for the future’ and ‘general info on the renal system’ remain as headings without any accompanying information. I think the questions for the future could be an interesting section, however general info I would think will have been covered elsewhere in the project. The topic has clearly been researched well, and is well referenced, with most references being from scientific papers. All in all I think this is a high quality project, that will only require a few additional tweaks to take it to the next level.

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The page flows very well and is easy to read. However, there is incorrect citing or no citing at all for images and texts which can trigger copyright issues, in some sections (mostly the beginning) of the page. The structure and anatomical position is extremely easy to read and comprehend, as well as the use of a table for development. Id advise to insert more images for development and the remaining sections to help the reader visualise the process instead of being overwhelmed by the information. Developmental abnormalities seem to contain information not necessarily needed. Maybe add the 5 paragraphs above "Kidney developmental abnormalities are diverse and they correspond to defects at different stages of kidney development" statement in a separate research topic. Good use of images for abnormalities though. Overall, the page is quite informative and has been researched effectively. It could be improved by slight tweaks in format aforementioned and correct referencing.

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I found the introduction to the kidney didn't flow very nicely and each sentence and paragraph were just points added in. Also, the grammar and punctuation in the introduction paragraph needs to be edited. The final thing that needs to be altered in the introduction paragraph is the links that have just been placed in. I'm not sure if they are the references but if so they need to be referenced correctly. The anatomical position and kidney structure are written really well! The only improvement I could make is with figure one and two reference them within the writing e.g. "Their inner structure can be divided into 2 main areas: the outer cortex, and the inner medulla, as illustrated in Figure 2", otherwise this section is really great. The timeline of the kidney embryology is good - basic outline which makes it easy to follow such a complex process. To make the page flow in a more succinct manner I think it would be good to put the kidney timeline under the kidney development heading instead of separating the two as the kidney development information expands on the timeline really well. The kidney development information is really good, and I think the images really complete it. However, the link at the end of nephrogenesis needs to be referenced correctly with intext. Also under blood supply, it says "THIS IS COPY AND PASTE" so I'm not sure if that's copied off another page or your own notes but that needs to be fixed. The abnormality section was really good and current research is a really interesting thing to include, that section just needs some more information which I'm sure you guys are already on top of! Overall its a really great page, good effort.

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I believe the headings chosen cover a sufficient amount of points you need in order to describe kidney development! Referencing needs to be changed, its easy to use the code [1] and that automatically makes a reference for you! When describing position, explain what retroperitoneal means, its not commonly known and also Thoracic 12 (T12) so people know what T12 refers too. For images, you need to find the copyright information and reference them properly, Mark has step by step instructions on what needs to be included in the image description. There aren’t many references in the first section of the page, it would benefit if you included some. Under nephrogenesis, point 3, you can find the articles pubmed ID and add the reference in that way instead of manually doing it. For developmental abnormalities, I feel like this could be explained better, it gets technical straight away and this can become quite confusing. Current research and questions need to be worked on but I’m sure that’s whats intended.

Overall I think the content on this page is very relevant to kidney development and it was interesting to read. The two major things you should fix are image copyright and references and intext referencing.

  1. < pubmed >INSERT PUB MED ID< /pubmed >