Talk:2018 Group Project 3

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Projects 2018: 1 Adrenal Medulla | 3 Melanocytes | 4 Cardiac | 5 Dorsal Root Ganglion

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Z5229549 (talk) 12:20, 14 August 2018 (AEST) hi

Z5165679 (talk) 12:20, 14 August 2018 (AEST)

Z5164785 (talk) 12:20, 14 August 2018 (AEST)

Z5229132 (talk) 12:21, 14 August 2018 (AEST)


Development from neural crest

Areas found: eyes ears heart central nervous system meninges

Problems: Hearing Melanoma vision



Embryonic origins

development time course

developmental/adult function

tissue/organ structure

molecular mechanisms/factors/genes

abnormalities/abnormal development

animal models

current research

glossary - useful when you have lots of acronyms. Be brief and clear ref. list - generates itself as long as you ref. properly

needs to be explained to another uni student that doesn’t know anything about neural crest and its differentiation.

Key things to understand on what makes a good project page: -Content -Brevity and balance between text and images - it’s an online resource, not a textbook. BALANCE CONTENT. -can have numbered lists and bullet points but don’t turn whole project into this.

If you can’t publish an image directly, you can redraw it and credit it to the article.

- differentiation ho they get to different parts of the body where the local singals come from etc pigmentation and vitamin D

animal models

Z5229132 (talk) 16:04, 04 September 2018 (AEST) everyone on intro z5229132 - history z5165679 - animal models and current research z5229549 - embryonic origins

Assessment - Peer Review

Z5229185 (talk) 17:55, 4 October 2018 (AEST) Introduction seems to be too detailed and the linkage to neural crest cells was not mentioned in the introduction. I believe that the focus of the introduction should be shifted more towards the role of neural crest cells in melanocyte formation and not purely on the melanoycytes.

The first sentence of the history sections may need a bit of rephrasing "The history of the discovery of the melanocyte spans about 4000 years, from when a pigmentation disorder of skin was first documented in 2200 BC, to when the melanocyte was confirmed as a pigment synthesising cell in 1917" as it sounds as if the discovery of melanocyte stopped at 1917?

Under the "Skin" section, the 2nd paragraph started off with "we". You may want to tweak this.

Loads of images were uploaded on this wiki page which makes the reading and understanding much easier, good job on this! For the formating, you may consider shifting some images to the sides to make it look better as I think there are way too many images that were placed in the middle of the page for now.

Lots of references were included for what was written so far showing that a lot of research have been done on this topic by this group, good job!



History of research is short, notes a few important researchers, lacks when melanocytes were connected to neural crest derivatives. It also lacks the knowledge of the role melanocytes play in human physiology and how that has changed, connection to Vitamin D synthesis and the history of the role melanocytes play in pathology could also be added.

Tissue Organ Structure and Function - Skin is completely missing, no images or text to be seen. Ear is well explained both in writing and images, understanding of chemical mediation in the adult has been elucidated, no reference to physiological role of the ear and how it achieves it, it would not have to be long. Figure 2 refers to Wv/Wv mutant, what is a Wv/Wv mutant? There is no explanation of this mutant model, whether it is in humans or animals, or why it is important etc. Eyes section notes the combined role of neural-crest derived cells and neuroepithelium of optic cup, explains the layers of the eye nicely within the associated image of Figure 4, which has been correctly formatted and cited. The heart section simply shows an image of a cardiac melanocyte, there should be more here. The CNS topic is short, but it does note the understanding of a role of melanocytes in CNS, but nothing more about how neural crest cells help with giving melanocytes to the CNS, the image is a nice overview of the skull and layers of the scalp.

Embryonic origins, Developmental time course and Molecular Mechanisms / Factors / Genes are all blank, with no images to be seen.

Reference to a mouse model can be seen in the Animal models section, are there other models in other species of mouse mutant that can observe melanocyte embryology? Mention of the melanoma model of genetically-engineered mice is good, but how does it relate to neural crest abnormality?

Current Research explains 2 new systems to observe melanocytes, this section could show findings and how they're important - could be longer. Abnormalities listed are short, some missing entirely, more focus on which are more common could be longer. Abnormalities listed are short, some missing entirely, more focus on which are more common could be noted due to the vast nature of melanocytes. Glossary is nice but incomplete, and there are a sufficient number of references.

Z5091101 (talk) 20:07, 3 October 2018 (AEST)z5091101Z5091101 (talk) 20:07, 3 October 2018 (AEST) Peer review: Hello. I have had a look at your project and it seems your group is doing really well overall. There seems to be some missing information on the skin, I assume you are still researching that and collating your information. The use of images throughout is excellent, all your images are properly referenced and a good example to learn from. I cannot really suggest anything at this point apart from to keep researching and get going with the missing sections.

Z5229281 (talk)

Wow, I can tell all of you have put in a lot of time researching this project has loads of information and all of the sections that are filled transition well. Other than what I assume you already know as some sections are missing information an I'm sure your group will have those filled out as the semester ends. Melanocyte group I have small changes to make. One this is just personal opinion I feel that for the figures under sections eyes and heart should be right justified and the wording should be on the left instead of the pictures being in the middle of the page. Sections such as developmental time course and mechanisms will have information in the future I assume, the project is well put together without those sections included. The current research section about pluripotent stem cells could be researched a bit more as I feel it is lacking infromation. Maybe give details on how the process is actually done and how pluripotent stem cells are obtained or more infromation on the overiview of the topic that goes a little more in depth analysis. other than those small edits your group is doing an outstanding job this semester.

Z5160977 (talk) 12:10, 5 October 2018 (AEST)

The introduction is good, however it may be helpful to mention more the embryonic development and an outline of what is going to be talked about. There are good subheadings, some need some content though. The division throughout the page of ears and eyes etc. is very clear. A short paragraph at the start of adult structure and function to tie it together (also in abnormalities, in case there are any in common). The pictures are helpful and assist understanding. There are a few formatting issues to clear up once the content is sorted. The references are looking good and there is evidence of a lot of research. The information so far is interesting, easy to follow and understand.

Z5112688 (talk) Structurally, there is good use of subheadings and images in the former parts of the project. Good introduction, though would be better if the embryonic development is covered a little more. History seems to have been glossed over. Maybe a timeline would better represent the information in the history section. Tissue and organ structure and function section contains clear and concise information. Good use of diagrams as a visual stimulus and the functions are explicitly stated. Developmental time course and molecular mechanisms/ factors/ genes have yet to be explained/ answered. Animal models section has some interesting information on genetically modified mice. Information found in research is stated. Although the information is interesting, it feels like there needs to be a little more explanation on the purpose of the experiments and how their findings help the scientific community. The current research section includes some form of research done. The research should be further explained as to maybe the methodology of their research or the particular result they intend to find at the end of the study. The abnormalities section has a few sections still unanswered. You mentioned varying forms of Waardenburg syndrome, maybe mention the different forms that occur. You did however explain the causes of the varying forms.