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Overall I think your page is going great guys keep it going !
Overall I think your page is going great guys keep it going !
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|Signalling: 1 Wnt | 2 Notch | 3 FGF Receptor | 4 Hedgehog | 5 T-box | 6 TGF-Beta|
|Here are some starting places for the topic. Can be patterning, differentiation, etc. as long as a developmental signal process/pathway.||
- 1 Peer Review
- 1.1 Group 2
- 1.2 Group 2 Critical Assessment
- 1.3 Group 2 Peer Assessment
- 1.4 Group 2 – Notch Signaling Pathway
- 1.5 Group 2 Peer Assessment
- 1.6 Project 2: Notch signalling pathway
- 1.6.1 1. The key points relating to the topic are clearly described.
- 1.6.2 2.The choice of content, headings and sub-headings, diagrams, tables, graphs show a good understanding of the topic area.
- 1.6.3 3. Content correctly cited.
- 1.6.4 4. The wiki has an element of teaching at a peer level using the student's own innovative diagrams, tables or figures and/or using interesting examples or explanations.
- 1.6.5 5. Evidence of significant research relating to basic and applied sciences that goes beyond the formal teaching activities.
- 1.6.6 6.Relates the topic and content of the Wiki entry to learning aims of embryology.
- 1.6.7 7. Clearly reflects on editing/feedback from group peers and articulates how the Wiki could be improved (or not) based on peer comments/feedback. Demonstrates an ability to review own work when criticised in an open edited wiki format. Reflects on what was learned from the process of editing a peer's wiki.
- 1.6.8 9. The content of the wiki should demonstrate to the reader that your group has researched adequately on this topic and covered the key areas necessary to inform your peers in their learning.
- 1.6.9 10. Develops and edits the wiki entries in accordance with the above guidelines.
Positive aspects of the project and suggested improvements: Group 2 has provided a variety of different topics related to the Notch receptor, such as its molecular pathway, its role in embryonic developing both in humans and animals as well as abnormalities caused by disruption in the receptor’s normal function (criteria 6). This variety is excellent, as it informs the audience of various aspects of the Notch receptor ranging from normal to abnormal development as well as newly emerging research (criteria 1.). Group 2 has also utilised both tables and diagrams to represent Notch receptor’s history and signalling pathway respectively (criteria 2). The use of diagrams is a great idea as it allows peers to understand the complexity of the signalling pathway in a much simpler manner (criteria 4).
In addition, the authors have correctly utilised in text citations when referencing all sources and have created a list of references at the conclusion of the page (criteria 3). Group 2 also investigated specific components of organ development which was another magnificent feature of their page, such that they divided cardiovascular development into different stages including “heart valve development” and “trabeculation” for example. This allows for an in-depth understanding of organ development with respect to the Notch receptor, rather than a general overview of the receptor’s involvement (criteria 5 and 6). The authors also have extended beyond Notch’s involvement in human embryonic development by exploring its role in animal embryonic development (criteria 5).
Although there are many positives, a possible improvement to this outstanding wiki would be to include a table of the different types of Notch receptors that exist and their different roles in embryonic development. This will allow the audience to understand that there is not just a single receptor playing a role in embryonic development but multiple. Another suggestion would be to add more subheadings under the “Central nervous system” development, as this subheading appears to have a lot less information compared to others. Also, it is obvious that there are different pathways for this receptor such as “Canonical” and “Non-canonical”, therefore it would be a great idea to include a youtube video to summarise these pathways and reinforce the in-depth description already provided on the page.
Negative aspects of the project and suggested improvements:
It was also noticed that a variety of terms were utilised which were not defined in the glossary such as “cyclins”, “pluripotent stem cells” and “ligands” for example. It is important to consider that the wiki should be able to teach at a peer level (criteria 4), as some students may not understand these terms. Therefore it is important to define them so audiences can develop a coherent understanding of the information. Another negative feature of the page was that it lacked interactivity. Indeed the page is very informative, however to further engage the audience, a suggestion would be to include a set of multiple choice questions at the end of the page which tests peers about the content covered.
It was also noticed that the page had a very limited number of subheadings regarding Notch’s involvement in embryonic development. A possible improvement would be to investigate Notch’s involvement in organ systems other than Cardiovascular and central nervous system. This will add a greater variety to the page and provide a greater depth of understanding regarding the role of the Notch signalling pathway in embryonic development.
Well done on the progress you have made thus far! You guys have chosen appropriate headings and subheadings that effectively break down the Notch signalling pathway. A coherent introduction has been provided, giving a taste of what is to be expected in this project. The use of a table to explore the history of this signalling pathway was particularly useful in making the information understandable and relevant. Though you have done an excellent job, was there any reason you stopped at 1989? It may even be useful to create a brief timeline of events, thus allowing you to better explore current areas of research by considering past studies that have been performed.
You’ve provided a good overview of the canonical pathway with the appropriate use of a diagram which aids reader’s understanding of the information provided. In saying this, I think it would be useful to expand on how this pathway is tightly controlled, is it through transcriptional regulation or through other means? In addition, it may be useful to explain the differences in the non-canonical and canonical pathways in terms of their significance and role in embryonic development. I’ve noticed that you have provided a general overview of the role of Notch signalling pathway in embryonic development, do these roles differ between the canonical and non-canonical pathways?
In addition, it’s good that you have included the role of the Notch signalling pathway in animal development as it explores the scope of this pathway beyond human embryology but it may also be useful to explore animal models in research, especially considering that the ‘first description of a “notch” defect’ was discovered in Drosophila. By combining the role of animal models in expanding our knowledge of the Notch signalling pathway with the effect of this pathway in animals, it provides a more rounded approach to explaining and discussing this signalling pathway.
I particularly like how you have included statistics in the ‘Abnormalities of Notch signalling’ section as it provides insight into the importance of this pathway in embryological development. You have successfully described the type of mutation that results in the particularly disease in most cases except for Alagille syndrome. More detail in how the mutation causes the syndrome would be useful with an explanation of how the mutation is brought about.
Overall, you guys have done a fantastic job! You have appropriately referenced and cited all the information provided and have included useful flowcharts, tables and diagrams that aid understanding of the text provided. Providing more detail to each of the sections and communicating with all your team members in the discussion page will ensure that you produce an excellent project! Good luck!
Group 2 Critical Assessment
A job well done with the introduction! The introduction is brief however manages to link the topic to embryonic development, different medical conditions, whilst also outlining the function and elements of the pathway. Being brief and succinct, it allows the viewer to continue exploring the page without experiencing confusion at the first lot of information. Further to this, the history of the pathway is formatted well and is not too overwhelming or boring. It is evident you have decided ‘Current Areas of Research’ will also be included in your page which is a great idea as you have included a section on History. This would ensure your Wiki flows well, and covers the pathway from start to finish.
Images have been included to visually represent the elements of the general pathway, as well as the elements specific to the pathway in cardiac development, which forms a great aid for viewers in understanding the content. Videos explaining the different canonical and non- canonical pathways could also be included for viewers with a video learning preference.
Use of in text citations neatens the layout of information and enables viewers to access the article should they find the point interesting. Numerous subheadings have been included which further break down the page into small sections of information. This is a fantastic positive as viewers can locate information in which they are interested in easily instead of having to read through long paragraphs of text. I feel as if linking the topic clinically is extremely important which you have done a great job in! Along with the text explaining the disease, you could possibly include a table stating the disease, the mutation, and the symptoms for viewers after a more easy, accessible format.
Throughout the topics covered, a lot of jargon is utilized, however a full glossary has not been provided. A glossary should definitely be included for terms such as ‘gastrulation’, ‘kinases’ or ‘cardiogenesis’ in order to satisfy criteria 4. Additionally, the page does not cater for viewers interested in further reading up on the topic. To ensure criteria’s 4 and 5 are met, links to interesting facts or articles could be provided so the audience has access to more information if they would like to further their understanding. With a few improvements this Wiki page can definitely prove helpful in understanding the pathway!
Group 2 Peer Assessment
Your project is quite good and seems to be on the right track. All your references have been done in-text and have made it really easy to make one’s way to the research article to read more about certain points. Not only that, you have appropriately abbreviated your terms by using the full name initially, and I can see that you have a glossary section which should be beneficial in the future when more terms are added. Your history section is well presented but, it might be important to add references to the papers of the main points of discovery in your history section as to allow people to easily access and find the full article regarding the discovery.
The fact that you have added pictures is quite handy when it comes to using it as an aid to accompanying passage. With regards to the image legend, maybe add more information to it or transfer the description of the image present when clicking into the image onto the legend as to better represent what the image is about while having the passage right next to it. Furthermore, maybe it would be beneficial to add other forms of media such as videos to compliment the passages as well, and help better engage the reader in the topic.
With regards to your section on the canonical pathway, I’ve noticed that the specific genes that are targeted by Notch have been left out and I feel that it is important to mention those genes targets explicitly there as well. That being said, they are mentioned in the proceeding section so it isn’t imperative that you do this. Maybe also try seeing if there is any literature on how the NOTCH receptors come about, such as what genes transcribe it and how the protein is processed and expressed before signalling in the pathway can occur.
I think for the most part there is very little to improve with your wiki page given the quality of it albeit a few minor corrections that I have mentioned above. It is very concise and at no times do I feel that I am reading a wall of text that is disengaging. Thus I feel that as long as such quality is maintained then your wiki page will be quite good when finished.
Group 2 – Notch Signaling Pathway
First impressions of Group 2’s page on the notch-signaling pathway are all positive. Subheadings are very well defined. They have chosen to include a brief yet informative introduction on the pathway, a simple table outlining the major scientific developments over the last 100 years, the molecular mechanisms of the pathway, its specific role in embryonic development (which they have further defined as cardiovascular and CNS), role in animal development, abnormalities relating to this pathway and a glossary. I think another positive aspect of this project, is that they have identified additional subheadings for which they are still to do research on; a particularly important one is current areas of research which not many groups have included. Furthermore, additional positive aspects of this project include the addition of images on the canonical notch signaling pathway and its role in cardiovascular development (which both appear also to be appropriately added to the website), which support the text nicely. It might also be useful to find a relevant video to include just to break up some of the text, and help make the page more interactive. It appears this group has widely researched their topic using both primary and review articles, which are all appropriately referenced using in-text citations. All of these aspects help to clearly convey the necessary information to the reader, and fulfill much of the required criteria of this project. In terms of their written information, Group 2 has included really detailed information on its role in embryonic cardiovascular development, as well as identifying some of the major research articles that have lead to these discoveries and a little bit about them (which then the reader if they are interested it can go read thanks to the inclusion of the in-text citations.) They do include a section of the roles of this pathway in animal development, which is really interesting and goes beyond the normal scope of this course.
Some negative aspects of the project include that, as part of the criteria being that the project has an “element of teaching at a peer level using the student's own innovative diagrams, tables or figures and/or using interesting examples or explanations” perhaps it would be useful to consider including a hand drawn image when researching the non-canonical pathway or transcriptional regulation of notch signaling, or even of some of the receptor/ligands involved in this signaling pathway. Furthermore, on a similar note it may be important to summarise the receptor subtypes involved in the different pathways, their role in embryonic development and abnormalities of the receptor subtype specifically relating to embryonic development in a table or dot point format. Additionally perhaps more information on its role in the CNS (or other systems during embryonic development) even if its not as detailed as cardiovascular, may help to inform the reader of all of its various roles.
In conclusion, it appears that this project is one of the strongest, it has very clear and informative subheadings separating well researched written material, supported by images sourced from the Internet. The main criticisms were just including your own innovative diagrams or explanations, videos to help make it more interactive and table or dot points summarizing the different receptor subtypes involved in each pathway. Following the completion of this, and the subheadings yet to be researched (and glossary) it appears that this project is going to be very successful in informing peers about the said pathway.
Group 2 Peer Assessment
So far this page looks great and very organised. I am really impressed by the set out of the information and the way the headings are arranged. It made it really easy for me to navigate around for particular information and not have to look for around aimlessly when I was looking for something in particular. Furthermore I think that the actual categories/sub headings used so far are very concise and effective. For example, I appreciate the brief introduction along with an overview of the molecular mechanisms involved in notch signalling before introducing its roles in embryonic development. This way I was able to have a understanding of what is really involved before understanding how it is important in embryonic development.
The references are also very neatly and correctly done and many times when I did not fully understand a concept I clicked on the citations which took me to the relevant articles and my understanding was clarified. I also really enjoyed the commentary on the specific research papers, for example cardiomyocyte specification and differentiation where you guys actually compared information from separate studies to make the information more whole and relevant.
In the abnormalities section, I think it was really awesome you guys included so many statistics and symptoms and not just a description of the abnormality.
Although everything looks really amazing a couple of improvements that I personally think could be made would make this page really useful to students.
The introduction, although very informative can be simplified a bit more to address criteria 4 and make it a bit easier to understand. This can be done through including an interesting or very simplified diagram to engage the student from the beginning. I would also generally include more diagrams and drawings that are personally drawn as the pictures used although effective, can be difficult to understand when you are learning for the first time. It would also be nice if more words are included in the glossary because there was a quite few words I did not know the meaning of. Lastly I think it would be a great addition to your page to include another subheading which outlines how the abnormalities are treated as this is something that I was intrigued to discover.
Overall I think your page is going great guys keep it going !
Project 2: Notch signalling pathway
1. The key points relating to the topic are clearly described.
There are headings for key points and the information for these key points has clearly described. This information is laid out in a clear way beginning with an introduction, historical aspect of the topic and continues to more specific information (e.g. animal models) related to the overall topic.
2.The choice of content, headings and sub-headings, diagrams, tables, graphs show a good understanding of the topic area.
The Notch singalling pathway has a very clear contents list. This demonstrates that a lot of thought and research has gone into the topic. There are two figures which are very neat and well set out. These are referenced. There is one tables which described the historical aspect of this topic and this is very clear and beneficial as it summerises a lot of information in a clear manner.
3. Content correctly cited.
The content is cited correctly. If the refernces are used more than twice this has been cited in following the Wiki guidelines and the reference is not repeated in the list.
4. The wiki has an element of teaching at a peer level using the student's own innovative diagrams, tables or figures and/or using interesting examples or explanations.
This wiki does have an element of teaching: It is clearly laid out, it is easy to read and the information is set up in a correct manner with a general overview, historical aspects and then more precise information is given. There is some interesting examples given which describes abnormalities in this pathway.
5. Evidence of significant research relating to basic and applied sciences that goes beyond the formal teaching activities.
This is very much evident. There is evidence that research has been undertaken as the topic has been divided into sub topics and there is a lot of interesting clear information to educate the reader.
6.Relates the topic and content of the Wiki entry to learning aims of embryology.
Yes the topic does related to the learning aims of embryology and how Notch signalling pathway is involved in embryonic organ development through the regulation of cell-cell signalling
7. Clearly reflects on editing/feedback from group peers and articulates how the Wiki could be improved (or not) based on peer comments/feedback. Demonstrates an ability to review own work when criticised in an open edited wiki format. Reflects on what was learned from the process of editing a peer's wiki.
This is still not as evident as there is no comments or feedback observed. There are still some sections that have information missing and perhaps comment or feedback could have been given here to ensure that the students fill in this missing information or remove the subheadings all together.
====8. Evaluates own performance and that of group peers to give a rounded summary of this wiki process in terms of group effort and achievement. The content of the wiki should demonstrate to the reader that your group has researched adequately on this topic and covered the key areas necessary to inform your peers in their learning. ==== The way this Wiki is laid out clearly demonstrates that there has been some feedback and communication between the group. It seems that each member of the group did write a section, yet the sections do come together and do not seem out of place. However there are sections with information missing and this needs to be addressed.
9. The content of the wiki should demonstrate to the reader that your group has researched adequately on this topic and covered the key areas necessary to inform your peers in their learning.
Yes the Wiki content does demonstrate that the group has researched adqueately in this area.
10. Develops and edits the wiki entries in accordance with the above guidelines.
This has been achieved. This wiki entry does seem to be in accordance with the guidelines provided.
Z3462474 (talk) 07:15, 23 September 2016 (AEST) Hey no worries I hope you feel better soon! I won't be able to do as much during the midsem break which is why I've been doing lots this week. I'll have a look at that link thanks! Also I tried to make a Glossary but am having trouble with the coding side of it but I'll try fix it later to make it a proper glossary :)
Z5015014 (talk) 21:00, 22 September 2016 (AEST) I'm so sorry I've been terrible with putting stuff on our page!! I know I said I would get some done this week but I've been sick these past few days and still recovering so I probably won't make it to the lab tomorrow. I'm having some trouble finding an image that summarises Notch signalling that we can use (most of the good ones I've found don't allow reuse) but I'll keep looking. I'll definitely do a lot more during the midsem break. sorry again! I also found this link: http://www.omim.org/entry/190198 that looks like it has some really good references for different roles in development.
Z5015014 (talk) 14:27, 16 September 2016 (AEST) looks like a great picture so I think we can leave it. I just altered the formatting of the image a little bit, but feel free to change it back if you prefer the previous placement! also I think having the copyright info on the file page is enough. thanks for doing that, I'm still hunting out pictures as well. I've been busy this week with another group project but now that it's out of the way I should be able to do a lot more here. :)
Z3462474 (talk) 09:21, 16 September 2016 (AEST) I found one that didnt look too complicated and also found that it allowed unrestricted use so I've added it into the cardio section of our page (we can always delete it later if need be), not 100% about my formatting though and whether I should include the legend/copyright notice directly on our page? If you click the image though its all there :)
Z5015014 (talk) 23:08, 12 September 2016 (AEST) I've been looking around and found some images, but most of the time they involve a lot more detail than we need and I don't want to overcomplicate it. will keep researching this week and see if I can find some simpler diagrams. :) The images in that book look really good but yeah I'm not sure what the copyright details for that are. if it comes to it I think if we reproduce it by hand and credit the source then it's fine!
Z3462474 (talk) 13:50, 12 September 2016 (AEST) Has anyone found any good images to use for our page? I have found a couple of diagrams on cardiac development and Notch in this book chapter: http://www.sciencedirect.com.wwwproxy0.library.unsw.edu.au/science/article/pii/S0070215310920115 but am still looking to the copyright restrictions etc and thought I'd check everyone's opinion
Z3462474 (talk) 09:22, 9 September 2016 (AEST) Hey everyone, I have added some of my notes to the main page, they are still a work in progress though! I'll continue to research the roles of Notch in the development of the different systems
Z3462474 (talk) 10:04, 2 September 2016 (AEST) Just found this online textbook titled 'Notch Signaling : Methods and Protocols' http://www.springerprotocols.com.wwwproxy0.library.unsw.edu.au/BookToc/doi/10.1007/978-1-4939-1139-4
This one also looks like it might be helpful: http://www.sciencedirect.com.wwwproxy0.library.unsw.edu.au/science/bookseries/00702153/92
Notch signalling at a glance: http://jcs.biologists.org/content/joces/126/10/2135.full.pdf
Signalling pathways for neural development: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4369499/pdf/WJSC-7-437.pdf
Notch's role in diabetic neuropathy https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3677813/pdf/nihms473246.pdf
Notch in cardio development and disease http://circres.ahajournals.org/content/118/1/e1.full
Z5015014 (talk) 14:31, 26 August 2016 (AEST) I also found a review article for Notch signalling in the common fruit fly, which could be a good idea for a subsection: PMID 12369105 General outlines of the molecular genetics of the Notch signalling pathway in Drosophila melanogaster: a review.
Z5015014 (talk) 14:44, 26 August 2016 (AEST) and here's some more reviews: PMID 22397947 Non-canonical Notch signaling: emerging role and mechanism and PMID 21828089 Notch signaling: simplicity in design, versatility in function.
Z5014803 (talk) https://www.researchgate.net/publication/264164124_Introduction_to_Notch_Signaling This seems like a good link for the history and discovery of the pathway
Z5014803 (talk) https://embryo.asu.edu/pages/notch-signaling-pathway-embryogenesis Can be used for introduction