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  1. The key points relating to the topic that your group allocated are clearly described.
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  9. The content of the wiki should demonstrate to the reader that your group has researched adequately on this topic and covered the key areas necessary to inform your peers in their learning.
  10. Develops and edits the wiki entries in accordance with the above guidelines.
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Project Analysis 24 Sep
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--Mark Hill (talk) 09:57, 24 September 2014 (EST) Individual student data for each group has also been analysed.

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--Mark Hill (talk) 09:57, 24 September 2014 (EST) I have masked student ID.

  • Individual students will know how much work you have been doing to date.
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2014 Student Projects: Group 1 | Group 2 | Group 3 | Group 4 | Group 5 | Group 6 | Group 7 | Group 8


--Mark Hill (talk) 17:54, 31 October 2014 (EST) These student projects have now been finalised and undergoing final assessment.

Group Assessment Criteria
  1. The key points relating to the topic that your group allocated are clearly described.
  2. The choice of content, headings and sub-headings, diagrams, tables, graphs show a good understanding of the topic area.
  3. Content is correctly cited and referenced.
  4. The wiki has an element of teaching at a peer level using the student's own innovative diagrams, tables or figures and/or using interesting examples or explanations.
  5. Evidence of significant research relating to basic and applied sciences that goes beyond the formal teaching activities.
  6. Relates the topic and content of the Wiki entry to learning aims of embryology.
  7. Clearly reflects on editing/feedback from group peers and articulates how the Wiki could be improved (or not) based on peer comments/feedback. Demonstrates an ability to review own work when criticised in an open edited wiki format. Reflects on what was learned from the process of editing a peer's wiki.
  8. Evaluates own performance and that of group peers to give a rounded summary of this wiki process in terms of group effort and achievement.
  9. The content of the wiki should demonstrate to the reader that your group has researched adequately on this topic and covered the key areas necessary to inform your peers in their learning.
  10. Develops and edits the wiki entries in accordance with the above guidelines.

Peer Reviews

This project would greatly benefit from an introduction, to present the contents of the project. The content is broken up into individual organs, of all the systems endocrine definitely one of the most varied in location so this approach does have some merit for initial data gathering. It does present the problem for viewers in navigation and resulting in continual repletion of timelines. Each organ is subdivided into timeline, introduction, structure, function, development and abnormalities. The content presented is solid and obviously well referenced. Placenta section should be added, because of its significant endocrine organ during fetal development. The references are mostly placed at the bottom of each organs section, these should be moved to bottom of the whole project in combination with in text citation. This will make the body of the project less cluttered and more fluid.

The table for hypothalamus hormones and associated abnormalities are mostly incomplete with “Example” filling many of the boxes. I would advise completion of hypothalamus hormone table and removal of associated abnormalities. In total there were only 3 images, addition of 2+ more images would help readers visualize the developmental organs. With at least one image per organ and preferably an additional image for an abnormality. Sufficient content is presented in this project though significant formatting changes are needed to create a completed project, additional images would be preferable.


Overall, this is quite a good project considering the complexity of the system. I think that generally, this project would benefit from some restructuring, so as to improve the cohesiveness of your work. I think that an introduction is a good idea to organize your ideas and give the reader a good background when trying to understand some of the more difficult concepts. I think that the choice of sub headings should be advised. It is interesting that you have chosen to deviate from the given subheadings, and I understand for your system that that may be necessary- however I think that some structure or regular subheadings for each part may be a bit easier to control. Also I think an overall timeline is always a great idea as it provides a visual representation and puts things into perspective. I also think that some areas could use a bit more research, for example a large part of the pineal gland and hypothalamus appears to be missing and there are kind of “insert text here” sections- which I’m sure you’ll work on by the submission date. I also think its important to remember that your referencing needs to be carefully done and consistent. Currently it seems quite poorly organized, and I think overall could use with a few more resources for every section. I think because you are already deviating from the normal structure of things, it would be a good idea to leave your references until last, just so your work isn’t broken up even further. The abnormalities section is severely lacking- the table is a good idea, but make sure you fill it! Overall a good start, some places need some serious content others just need a tidy up.


Great job on doing the endocrine system! There are lots of content for each organ of this system, which is good. I can see that this system was broken down into organs and allocated to different members. The only problem I see with this format is that presentation could be incoherent. I suggest try to follow the outline Dr. Hill gave us like development, current findings, etc. and just break each section into sub-sections for each organ. If that’s too much, then maybe just a single timeline of the development of the whole system. Also try to have a uniform layout for the tables about the hormones secreted by each gland.

There aren’t many images used in the page so maybe try to add more images. They really help with getting the readers to understand the information. In terms of referencing and citations, good job on choosing the research articles. All of them seem to be relevant to the the project. Don’t forget to use in-text citations. Not only is it important but it will make the page look a lot cleaner. Also, try to get all the references into one bulk at the bottom of the page. Overall, there aren’t a lot of problems in terms of the content but mainly about organising the page, making it coherent, and cleaning it up. I think the thyroid, parathyroid, pancreas, and adrenal sections were remarkable. Well done!


Group Project 6 – Endocrine Development

An introduction could be very useful to summarise what the page is going to discuss. Sections 1.2-1.11 could all be subheadings under the main heading ‘System Development’, and then each of these subheading could be further divided into smaller subheadings with timeline, introduction detailing structure/ function of the endocrine organ. It is however very well done how the headings of each organ are then further subdivided into ‘abnormalities’, ‘research findings’ and ‘timeline’. However, the fact that each section has its own references and is subdivided as such, shows that even though the page may appear more ordered, there appears to be little communication between group members at this stage. So perhaps a goal could be to make the page look like one flowing work piece as opposed to sections that each person has done.

I think the content is very well researched and I like the way each organ of the endocrine system is discussed, as all are important in fetal development. The use of images is appropriate and very well done as they are referenced correctly and when you click on an image it takes you to a new page showing the student image template, copyright information as well as extra information regarding the image. There are no student-drawn images however, so perhaps it could be possible to draw a flow chart perhaps of gonadal fetal development. The use of tables is also done very well and is frequent throughout the page, with some being used to illustrate the anatomical development of certain organs, for example, the adrenal gland and pancreas. The graphs are also useful in portraying information from research findings.

The project page is missing information regarding historic findings, and I think that if this page is going to have a main heading for Abnormalities, then the group should put all their information regarding abnormalities under this section. Although it is not an endocrine organ that grows within the developing foetus, but is an important part of the mother, there is not much information on the page regarding the placenta. This section needs to be completed as the placenta is an important source of hormones and acts as an endocrine organ during the pregnancy, sustaining the foetus.

It is good that there are many references, indicating thorough research into the endocrine system with each organ heading have its own sources, however I think these references need to be ordered better. The actual referencing is done correctly, however in-text referencing is absent, so it may be best to fix this. Most images are referenced correctly as well.

Overall, keep up the good work, but just edit the page to make it look neater and finish the sections you need to.


At first glance, a lot of sections seem to be incomplete. On second glance, I’ve noticed that you have added all the headings used by other groups (timeline, current findings, abnormalities) as subheadings for your own project, which I think it a really smart idea. Because you have so many glands that need to be covered, writing these sections separately can be confusing with the information quickly becoming muddled up. Doing it this way eliminates that confusion.

Make sure the use of tables is appropriate, using a table for one row of info is kind of pointless (pineal gland). The timelines used should also start with the week number, otherwise it can be quite confusing trying to work out the time (e.g. try not to say times such as ‘by the second trimester’). The information presented was concise and to the point, no long-winded explanations or slabs of text which was good. The images used were relevant and captioned.

Concerning the work completed, overall it was done well. A lot more work still needs to be completed however. References should also be made in text. If you are unsure how to do this, just go into edit mode in another group’s project and see how they have done it, instead of listing all the references at the bottom of the corresponding section. Make sure all the references are also presented at the bottom of the page, not separated into sections. It would also be nice if more images are used, if not one image for every gland then at least one for every second gland mentioned (it just needs more images).


There seems to be no introduction on the page, don’t forget to add content to this section before the final submission. The overall page looks disjointed by the choice of sub-headings. I think an overall timeline is needed to know which glands/organs develop when and originate from where. It would look much neater and would be easier to follow.

The parathyroid gland and pancreas seems to be the only sections that are properly completed. Both sections have good use of images and the tables provide easy readability. The images are all properly cited, good job.

The overall referencing of the page is all over the place and lacks in-text citations. I suggest you go through the contents and add these where necessary. If you are unsure how to do this, just look at the handout Mark gave out in week 2 for further reference. Or, alternatively you could look at some of the other project pages in edit mode. I would also suggest you leave all the references to the end of the page by simply putting </references> at the bottom of the page, as it looks neater to have them all in one place, rather than at the bottom of each sub-heading.

The abnormalities section is lacking content and there is only 2 diseases listed, with no description.

Overall, the page has good content, just needs to be edited to put in-text referencing. Some sections need contents such as the placenta and adding images to the page will also improve its presentation.


So far you have made a good start. The introduction is a really important part of the project so it’s important that you get that down. The pineal gland part has made a good start but it would be good if some more hormones could be added. I think it would be good maybe if you all combined all of your times line and put them at the top of the page. You could maybe do this in a table form, but it’s certainly something that would make the project more succinct. Also instead of having references spread all over the page it would be a good idea to put the all of them at the page to make the page look more neat and tidy.

The hypothalamus part also needs to add extra information on the hormone part and add their illustration. I think it may be a good idea to add a student image because this makes the page more interesting and people looking at the page will be instantly attracted to this. Something that is really important and goes for the whole page is that you need to do in text referencing, as having the references at the end of the writing is tough because we don’t know which parts came from where.

Its good that there is recent findings in the hypothalamus part but I think this probably highlights the biggest issue with your project, being that It probably doesn’t link with all parts that well. I think it would be good if you could link all parts of the endocrine system together to make it easier to understand. For example, if you put the recent findings as a whole new part then everyone puts their recent findings in there it will make it easier to understand and look more collaborative. Also there is an imbalance in written information to pictures which tips in favor of the information. While it’s great to have a lot of information it becomes a bit boring just reading all the time so I think adding more images, particularly student drawn images would be something that would definitely improve the page.

Overall it has been a good start but the main points that need to be focused on are to finish off the information, make sure you correctly reference with in text citations and putting the references at the end of the page, and adding more images to make it more interesting. Good luck with the rest of the project.


There is no introduction! You should definitely add one! The graph in the pineal gland only has one rows; I suppose you are planning on adding more rows and hormones secreted by the pineal gland? If not, maybe just scrap the graph in general cause there’s really not much point. The graph in the hypothalamus section doesn’t have any examples yet, I presume that you’ll be adding stuff soon? The overall project having been divided according to the each endocrine organs is really nice. Hardly any work has been done yet on the pituitary gland yet, you might want to get started. Beautiful work on the thyroid, parathyroid and pancreas; easy to understand the paragraphs, and they are visually aided with pictures. For the development of the adrenal glands, and the testis and ovaries, I think you should find a picture. Historic findings, placental development and abnormalities are basically non-existent, which are vital components to this project. Overall, the project is very very informative and very well done! The page has good content, just add the in-text referencing, and maybe try to improve the aesthetics to make it more appealing to your readers. Good luck group 6!


The page is set out really well especially since the endocrine development covers so many organs. It’s a nice clear and concise way of structuring the page. Each particular organ is addressed really well. There is good consistency with each one on the page that is great. The page contains a sufficient about of content and detail in the info for each section of an organ addressed. It is good to see the use of tables and some dot point formatting which always helps to keep the content clear. There are parts in each section that are missing info these include the abnormalities and tables. The use of images with captions containing well detailed descriptions are also constant under each section. Some suggestions to consider include adding more info to the abnormalities would be great. Focusing on discussing what each abnormality is, how it’s contracted, statistics and then treatment. Throughout the whole page in text citations have not been used at all which should be included, especially when research studies are mentioned. A way to assist with this is to use the following format; for pubmed [1] and then for other references [2] . Then after those are inserted, add an additional referencing heading and under it write

  1. <pubmed>pubmedIDnumber</pubmed>
  2. insert source

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Overall the page does not need too many changes, just a few adjustments mostly with formatting and references. Then some sections need a little bit more info to be completed. An introduction would also be a great way to provide an overview of the content that will be covered since there is a lot discussed. So far it can be seen that a great deal of research has been conducted. It’s also understandable that not all sections are completed just yet as this is a pretty lengthy system. Try to also incorporate some graphs, drawings and even video’s, they are a great visual aids. Keep up the good and the page will be really great, good luck ☺.


Just must say, this must be one of the hardest topics to cover! Excellent work overall and continue to work hard in completing and finalising this page. But please don’t forget to add an introduction which clearly lists the outcomes that the page will hope to address

I really believe that this page would greatly benefit by re-structuring the entire layout by the headings suggested to us- ie. Development timeline, recent findings, current research and abnormalities. Seems a bit disjointed and is hard to follow.

Due to the manner in which you guys have subdivided the sections via organs, it is hard to comment and critique via the headings suggested. Some organs have been excellently covered (pancreas, thyroid, parathyroid), however, some organs do need a bit more development (eg. Pineal gland). Also, due to the way you guys have decided to approach this page, the writing styles and presentation of information does have notable differences amongst the oragans.

Overall, there is an excellent choice of headings and subheadings though. There is also excellent and correct citing in most of the sections. However, this page could be greatly benefited by re-structuring the entire page to follow the suggested headings. I really believe that the information and research included in this (hard) topic is excellent and demonstrates significant scientific research, however, the overall structure makes it hard to follow and understand! I believe re-structuring will address a lot of the issues mentioned. But again, excellent work so far in this very hard topic!


In this review I intend to highlight the merits of your project and suggest some areas for improvement in light of the marking criterial provided.

I believe that an organ-by-organ approach to this section is great. This really helps organise the information. This layout also makes the page easy to navigate allowing students to directly refer to the section that they want to learn about. However by doing so I think you may have neglected some of the areas.

Each endocrine organ has a great introduction describing the structural features and nature of the organ. I suggest including an image or a hand-drawn diagram of each gland and location, as this would really aid understanding The time line is a great way to summaries the major stages in development, I feel that this section has been completed with sufficient research and detail.

The section on abnormalities needs to be completed, even if only one abnormality is addressed make sure you include information on the following areas. Epidemiology; Description; Cause and Treatment. Furthermore ensure that the section on current research and historical findings is researched and addressed addressed.

I feel that your project is incredibly cohesive and attempts to provide a through summary of all the main endocrine organs. However a number of sections are yet to be completed. You have a great template right now. If all these areas are completed the project will be a success. In addition; I suggest placing all the references at the end of your project page, under one heading. Good Luck!


The endocrine system is made up of different glands and there is so much information that could be provided regarding the the anatomy and development of each gland so very well done for working on the difficult system! I like how you have divided the page into different glands; I can imagine having the four major headings (development, historic findings, current research and abnormalities) and then subdividing it into different organs would be more confusing. Just try to follow the same structure for each organ; I recommend doing a brief introduction, anatomy, function, timeline, development, historic findings, current research and abnormalities for each organ. It is important that your page has a coherent flow by following the same structure for each subheading. An overall introduction on endocrine system might also be very useful. You can then include in the introduction how you are planning to structure your page.

The content and number of references show that extensive research has been conducted. It would be great if you could use in-text referencing and place all the references under one subheading at the end of the page. Arranging the information into tables is a great idea but you need to complete your tables for pineal gland, hypothalamus and placenta. You also need to include more images in your page (you can include at least one image for the abnormality associated with each organ). There are a few images included at the moment and they are well done and appropriately referenced. You can also try to draw your own diagrams. In my opinion, a timeline showing the development of all the systems would be a great way to compare the different stages in development of different endocrine glands. Maybe think about including this in a table after you finished all the sections; it is a good way to connect the information provided separately for each organ. Overall the content of this page is very good but it needs to be formatted so that it can have a coherent flow. Also there is no information for introduction, historic findings and development of placenta, make sure you include those.

Group Project Topic - Endocrine

--Z3414648 (talk) 11:17, 20 August 2014 (EST) We have chosen our group project to be on the endocrine system.

--Z3418702 (talk) 13:07, 20 August 2014 (EST) We have decided to allocate 2 topics (endocrine organs) to each group member. We will go and research each and look for research articles and then figure out the best way to structure the content.

--Z3414648 (talk) 12:19, 26 August 2014 (EST) This is a draft allocation for research topics for our project. Janaki - Pineal, Hypothalamus. Ali (z3414648)- Pituitary, thyroid. Samrah (z3418837) - parathyroid, thymus, pancreas. Ruth - Adrenal, gonad, placenta. Samrah and Ruth if there is heaps to do on those three parts that i've allocated just let Janaki and I know and we can also help out. If anyones topics are sparse on info also let us know and we can reshuffle the allocations

--Z3418698 (talk) 22:02, 26 August 2014 (EST) Hey guys, I was thinking we should maybe have a heading 'Recent findings' for maybe a few of the topics and have a short, brief summary of any new developments. I think it would be really interesting!

--Z3418702 (talk) 00:00, 27 August 2014 (EST) That's a good idea, should we put a separate section on recent findings, or just some information on recent findings under each section? Also we need historical findings

--Z3418837 (talk) 00:44, 27 August 2014 (EST)Hey guys, it's better to post student numbers to the parts allocated to each group member so it's easier for the tutor to mark. I would do this but i'm not sure about who is who :P Also I like the idea of recent findings. I think it's also better to post articles related to the recent findings and abnormalities as we go along as this will make it easier instead of leaving it to the end. For now, I think we should just post up as many articles related to each topic as possible and then figure out how to structure the content.

--Z3414648 (talk) 21:22, 2 September 2014 (EST) Hey guys, I've done some research on the prenatal development of the thyroid gland so I'll add that to my section. We can always change it up later.

I also found this review article that goes into a lot of detail about the pituitary gland. It explains the cellular differentiation involved to create the cells responsible for manufacturing hormones like ACTH. There is a lot of complex gene involvement but I was thinking we could condense a lot of the information into a table. I suggest you guys do that for your organs too rather than having a lot of jargon on our page that only an advanced biochemist will understand.

<pubmed>22872762</pubmed>

--Z3414648 (talk) 10:09, 9 September 2014 (EST) Hey i found a great article on normal and abnormal thyroid development and it's given me a lot of great information for the timeline part. <pubmed>10.1016/j.beem.2013.08.005</pubmed>


--Z3418698 (talk) 12:44, 10 September 2014 (EST)We are going to incorporate the Timeline and Abnormalities under each individual sub heading rather than at the end of the page. We are also going to find image links and post them in the discussion page before uploading them. We are also going to tabulate the hormones released by the glands under the subheadings. This will summarise the function of the glands in the embryo and how they contribute to fetal development.

--Z3418702 (talk) 00:46, 17 September 2014 (EST) Hi guys, I've added some info about adrenal development through gestation, at this stage some simple dot points which will probably be expanded upon later. There is a lot of content about the cell morphology at different weeks but I'm not sure as yet whether it's necessary to include that level of detail?

--Z3414648 (talk) 12:59, 17 September 2014 (EST) Hey guys, i found this link for an image that i'm thinking of using on the project. It's from PLOSone which is good because it's free to use those images. This is the link for it: http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0016752

--Z3418698 (talk) 13:06, 17 September 2014 (EST) Hey guys, I found this image I wanted to use for hypothalamus development in a rodent, it basically illustrates the different nuclei in the hypothalamus once it it fully developed but I will be focusing on those that are present during development and the role of hormones each of them releases. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2082685/figure/fig1/

--Z3418702 (talk) 23:50, 23 September 2014 (EST)--Z3418702 (talk) 23:50, 23 September 2014 (EST) Hi guys, I think I might use this image (figure 3), it's from the PLoS too so totally fine to re-use and shows the fetal adrenal gland using 3 different techniques, like MRI, gross imaging and histological stain. I like it because it shows the gland from different perspectives. I'll upload it soon but here's the link: http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0075511

--Z3418837 (talk) 03:29, 24 September 2014 (EST) I might use this image for the pancreas section http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0007739 . It basicallys shows the development of the islet of langerhans and the ratio of alpha & beta cells at different phases of fetal development. Also Z3418698, I don't think that image can be used as it has copyright restrictions. Try looking in Plos One =]


  • Firstly, props on choosing the endocrine system. It seems like one of the harder ones to take on
  • I don't understand why you chose to divide tasks based on endocrine organs as that has seemed to cause your research to become really disjointed. I guess now work harder to collaborate your separate findings particularly for things like having 1 united timeline overview
  • Ensure uniformity throughout the page with little things like is it "fetal" or "foetal"? Choose one then go with it
  • Maybe have labels for tables more distinguished as being separate to the main text
  • Include the references throughout discussion, rather than a collection at the end of each section. Then have the entire reference list at the bottom like all the other pages have. You can look at the "edit" of other pages to copy and paste the codes
  • Your timeline isn't really a timeline if there are no times mentioned in the "pineal gland" section. Try using a week-by-week format and separating information that way for all of your findings altogether. Then format that into a table
  • Proofread for typos "Abnormalities" in "pineal gland" section
  • Need more images for earlier sections
  • Great formatting of images and tables for the adrenal gland, parathyroid and pancreas sections