Talk:2012 Group Project 1

From Embryology

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2012 Projects: Vision | Somatosensory | Taste | Olfaction | Abnormal Vision | Hearing

--Mark Hill 09:58, 18 September 2012 (EST) This is a recent review on vision. JCB content allows reuse.

--Mark Hill 08:17, 16 August 2012 (EST) This small section at the top of your discussion page allows me to easily distribute information to all students looking at the group discussion page.

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1. Search:

2. History

  • Embryology History Explore the rich history of sensory research. In particular look through the available images that may complement the text. Any of this material can be used, you should cite the original paper or textbook. Gray | 1921 Bailey and Miller

--Mark Hill 09:58, 18 September 2012 (EST) This is a recent review on vision. JCB content allows reuse.

  • Introduction
  • Research history?
  • Developmental time line?
  • Current research
  • Useful links
  • Glossary
  • Image gallery summary
  • References

Group evaluations

Firstly, the picture at the top immediately shows us the topic you are discussing: vision. This is good, but you might want to decrease the size slightly by stating the number of pixels in your file description. Your introduction includes the anatomy of the eye, which you should probably put under a separate heading. Expand the introduction a little and tell us what you will be presenting on your site.

The history is quite short – aim for more significant dates and discoveries and try to put them in an organised table. Within your history section you have images relating to development of the optic vesicle and lens. It seems like these should be incorporated in your next section on development. Good images though, but this time increase the size so the reader doesn’t have to open every single one of them to read the labels.

It seems like most work has gone into the section of development, which is good because we are focussing on the development of vision! The content relates really well and shows research has been done. There are a few sentences that strongly suggest they have been researched, however they are not references. This is in particular for the optic nerve and retina sections. Again, make sure the labels on the images can be read without having to open the file. You may also want to put the images together (optic nerve section) so the reader can easily see the changes happening during development. It is really good that you refer to the images within your text. The second half of your development section could do with a few images to complement the text. I personally think you should expand upon the lens development, because this is an important structure of the eye. What happens after migration into the embryo? If you find some related molecular information, eg. essential transcription factors, you could provide a brief explanation of these too and the role they play in vision development.

You started on your current research and a few references are present, as well as an image. I do not know what this image is and there is pretty much no text explaining any research that is currently undertaken. Please expand upon this! The links should probably be listed under the heading ‘external links’ and as you expand upon certain sections, please keep adding to the glossary. For instance, I could not find the term ‘neuroblastic layer’ in the glossary (from the retina section).

With all of your images: please provide a title, description, source, copyright information, student image template. Some of your references will also need to be changed to avoid errors, citation of webpages and doubling-up of references. See the ‘editing basics’ on the embryology website.

Hope this helps!

--Z3333038 14:28, 22 September 2012 (EST) :In regards to the information presented (outcomes 1 and 9), as the project is still in progress it is understandable that some areas are incomplete. There is so far good, concise information on the structure of the development of the eye and the structures involved in vision. It would be useful to include information on the genetic factors involved in vision development as well as have a section explaining the processes involved with vision. Also, for the Current Research section (outcome 5), it would be better to explain the aims and findings of the research papers cited rather than just referencing the papers and images without describing their significance to research progress. In terms of peer teaching (outcome 4), the page contains a good balance between technical terms and simple language for understanding on the development of structures for vision; additionally, the inclusion Glossary helps to clarify any technical terms.

The most striking part of the layout (outcome 2) is the use of images to demonstrate the development of structures involved in vision. This is great because it makes the page interesting and provides a visual understanding on the development of the eye. However, at times the images could be better placed: for example, in the introduction the pictures appear stacked on top of one another. Additionally, the images in the introduction show similar structures, so perhaps select only one to better aid the flow and appearance of the page. Throughout the page, the images utilised could be provided with more description and linked to the text in order to improve flow and enhance written explanation. Perhaps some information, such as the timeline, could be sorted into a table to improve the layout.

In regards to outcome 3, some of the information provided (e.g. in the section on Development) is not referenced. Additionally, some of the references in the Reference list need to be formatted correctly with author, date, title of the page, publisher (if required) and any other necessary information. It would be useful to follow the style of the automatic default referencing.

Hope the feedback helps and all the best with your project!

Group Assessment Criteria:

  1. The key points relating to the topic that your group was allocated are clearly described The introduction explains why the eye is important and lists the anatomical structures, however there is no indication that this project page is about the development of the eye!
  2. The choice of content, headings and sub-headings, diagrams, tables, graphs show a good understanding of the topic area. The project predominantly focuses on the development of the eye, and goes into detail the development of each individual structure. There are also a lot of student-drawn images and diagrams of developmental stages which shows a good understanding of the topic area.
  3. Content is correctly cited and referenced. There is no copyright notices for any of the images and they all lack explanations.
  4. The wiki has an element of teaching at a peer level using the student’s own innovative diagrams, tables or figures and/or using interesting examples or explanations. The text is easy to understand and there are many student-drawn diagrams, which makes the content more interesting to read.
  5. Evidence of significant research relating to basic and applied sciences that goes beyond the formal teaching activities. I would say the information provided satisfies the aims of the project, however the research does not go ‘beyond the formal teaching activities’ as it lacks additional information such as abnormalities, normal functioning etc.
  6. Relates the topics and content of the Wiki entry to learning aims of embryology. The contents and topics are strongly related to the learning aims of embryology.
  7. The content of the wiki should demonstrate to the reader that your group has researched adequately on this topic and covered the key areas necessary to inform your peers in their learning. All the content provided is well researched and relevant to the aims of the project. They key areas are well described.

Additional points:

  • I feel that this page would benefit from a timeline or ‘weekly development’ table that briefly describes what structures are developed in each week. This would provide a good summary of the content as well as allow reader to be able to understand how the development of each structure relates to each other.
  • Good referencing of images throughout project page – relating images to content
  • Less paragraphs, more tables, bullet points, emphasize certain important points
  • History & research sections look incomplete.

Group discussion

Have you guys looked at some sources about the development of vision in embryos? Do you have any idea how you want to divide up the topics we can work on? --Z3370664 13:31, 21 August 2012 (EST)

Hey everyone, I haven't looked at anything yet, sorry! Hopefully end of this week/start of next I'll start adding things. Ben --Z3373894 19:33, 21 August 2012 (EST)

Heya. Thinking that we should do a time line rather than dividing up the different structures of the eye. Em --Z3254758 10:40, 22 August 2012 (EST)

I looked through all the embryology textbooks I have (the two prescribed texts, as well as another book) and they all divide up the eyes into different parts and talks about how each of the parts develop, rather than a timeline. So i was thinking, maybe we could focus more on describing how each of the different parts of the eye develop, and then we could do a timelime briefly at the end? (By the way, you're not supposed to mention your name) --Z3370664 10:21, 29 August 2012 (EST)

Sounds good. I have put a few suggestions for the different parts of the eye on the page. We need code-names if you don't want to put your name so that we know who is saying what. Please don't put any information on the actual page without referencing it.--Z3254758 10:45, 29 August 2012 (EST)

We also can't use content from Dr Hill's pages. The photos that are on our page are great, but we will have to replace them. We also desperately need to divide the sections between us. Maybe 2 people do 5 eye structures each, one person does intro and history, and another does current research and useful links? --Z3254758 11:45, 29 August 2012 (EST)

The textbooks are going to be really useful, I'd say divide it up the way the textbook does it. Sorry guys, didn't realise we can't use Mark's stuff. Will look for similar images later -.- --Z3373894 11:51, 29 August 2012 (EST)

Also I'm happy to do 5 eye structures :) I think. --Z3373894 11:56, 29 August 2012 (EST)

Okay guys, I'm doing retina and optic nerve, lens, eyelids, choroid and sclera. Em (z3254758) is doing the other structures (we can reassign if either of us find a structure that is excessively complicated). That leaves intro/history and current research/useful links. Also!!! I have to do a marine science camp in the mid sem break and so won't be available to make contributions. Sorry but I'll keep adding as soon as uni goes back. --Z3373894 12:13, 29 August 2012 (EST)

Awesome, no worries. Thanks for your contribution so far, let me know if we need to redistribute. Enjoy your camp! --Z3254758 16:08, 29 August 2012 (EST)

Hey guys I'm really sorry for the late notice but I've dropped this Embryology course. Tried logging on a few days ago to let you know what was going on but the server wouldn't connect. So sorry to stuff you all around. Goodluck with everything. Emma --Z3330686 10:55, 5 September 2012 (EST)

So does this mean we only have 3 people in our group now?

Anyway, I'm sorry i haven't contributed yet. I had been looking up articles and reading them to help you with the structures, but haven't written up notes yet, as I have so many other assignments to do that are all due soon. I am happy to do intro/history and current research/useful links. And after i do those parts, I can help you guys with the structures if there are any structures you're stuck with. I can help look for images too. I'll also do a brief timeline/overview of eye development after you guys finish the structures. I'll post up the links to the articles I found that you might find useful for the structures. --Z3370664 12:22, 10 September 2012 (EST)

Oh my goodness the more I research the more confused I get! I keep finding conflicting information- hence why some things are in capitals and italics and why I haven't put references for everything. Am hoping you guys can shed some light? For the iris I had one resource that said two completely opposite things about what it develops from :S :S :S

Yeah I know, I've had similar problems of conflicting sources :( I'm mostly relying on the online textbooks because surely they can't be wrong? And all the papers have a large emphasis on the genetics and it's hard to find a simple anatomical description. We can come back later and fix anything that's unresolved. --Z3373894 14:35, 17 September 2012 (EST)

P.S. nice eye collage at the top whoever posted it. Adds a nice human touch. It's really cool to look at! :)

yay I'm glad you like it! :) This is the problem, I was confused about the conflicting statements so I went to a textbook and that was what said the two different things... in the specific section it said one thing and then in the summary it said the opposite o_O trying a few other textbooks at the moment. Ya am very sick of reading about genetics.--Z3254758 21:49, 17 September 2012 (EST)

Hey i found a good article which i think you might find useful. It also has nice images. I want to email them and ask permission to use their images in our project.

To read the article, Log into the UNSW library and search 'Eye development' by Jochen Graw

Current Topics in Developmental Biology, 2010, Vol.90, pp.343-386

--Z3370664 23:49, 17 September 2012 (EST)

Well peer review is tomorrow and the page is still somewhat lacking haha... It would be good to get something under the headings "research history" and "current research" even if it's only a few sentences so the space isn't completely blank. I'll try and add a few more things to my sections tomorrow morning. I had a quick look at the Jochen Graw article and it has good summaries of genetic stuff as well. Once I get all the anatomical stuff down on my sections I'll come back and add genetic stuff at the end if I get time. --Z3373894 17:16, 18 September 2012 (EST)

Potential Resources

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--Z3254758 17:58, 4 September 2012 (EST)

Lhx2 links the intrinsic and extrinsic factors that control optic cup formation:

Innervation of the Mouse Cornea during Development:

Fibromodulin Regulates Collagen Fibrillogenesis During Peripheral Corneal Development:

Development of extraocular muscles require early signals from periocular neural crest and the developing eye:

Eye Morphogenesis and Patterning of the Optic Vesicle:

Targeted deletion of Dicer disrupts lens morphogenesis, corneal epithelium stratification, and whole eye development:

Anterior eye development and ocular mesenchyme:

--Z3370664 12:31, 10 September 2012 (EST)