Talk:2010 Group Project 5
Group 5 - in terms of content, it is informative. Well done. In terms of the page aesthetics, images of fetal fibronectin itself would be useful at the start, and images especially in the Procedure section. The information is there however the use of images throughout the page and tabulating some of your information would make it more engaging and easier to understand. Remember to add a Historical background on the procedure even if it's short seeing as it is still a relatively 'new' procedure. The current research section could be rephrased more to fit into the flow of your page as a whole. Judging by the last sentence, it seems as though it has been put together by simply copy and pasting snippets from different journals. It would be more beneficial if the information given in the journals was analysed, interpreted and then presented while still referencing. This goes for the procedure also. Try to find information, understand it yourself and then 'explain' it to your audience. You will find that the page will be more cohesive as a result. Another point would be to expand the subheadings so that they clearly identify the subject matter being covered under that section as at the moment they are quite vague. Some points which could also be addressed: future of the procedure? The glossary could also be expanded. Good effort. --z3241780 14:14, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
GROUP 5: Fetal Fibronectin
Group 5 the first thing I have to say about your project page that I think will really help you guy out is that you need put more pictures. If I’m not mistaken the hand drawn picture at the very top is the only picture on the whole page. Pictures help captivate the audience and makes your intended audience want to read on to find out or relate the picture to the information present. They also help break up the page and allow the reader some processing time while reading the information of Fetal fibronectin. The Information you have presented is pretty much flawless being the perfect amount of scientific language, by this I mean that your assignment is assessable for pretty much anyone but more importantly the information was informative. The Dot points you have used many of the section also help us understand the project better. Last but not least you have missed out on history of the pre-natal diagnostic technique which Mark Hill said was part of his marking scheme, and after reading what other people have posted on your discussion page I notice that I’m not the only one to make this comment. Apart from that nice work!!!!
--z3252635 13:23, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
You have a nice and simple page, concise and to the point. Nice drawn image at the beginning of the page to draw attention I thought it was very well done. I found that the current research was good, showed some good effort with good references to backup your info about the case studies and statistics. Ways that could be improved is the use of images, so people could understand the topic better, and some tables may help to make the information more interesting. I guess more detail and elaborate more on the history. Also i wasn't sure if there were any risks involved and how common this test is done. References were good, with a nice glossary. nice effort! --z3224500 13:12, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
Simple, good organisation and what I like about it is that they referenced a lot of their text to backup their information which i thought was very scientific. The drawn picture was nice, but overall the page needed more images and pictures to understand the topic better. A table may have been a good choice to convey some information to make it more interesting, but it is still simple so not a very big deal there. So overall, more images, and I think more longer information under some headings would provide more extensive knowledge on the topic. References are very good, with an alright glossary. Hi guys!
I’m guessing that the fetal fibronectin diagram at the top of the page is your student drawn diagram. Nice job on it. You might want to more clearly indicate that it is student drawn, though, and you should probably include the copyright statement. Also, you might want to think about adding some more pictures to your page to break up the text a little bit and make the page more eye-catching and easy to look at. I have to say that I really liked the way that you’ve set out the section on the test results. It was very easy to read. If I had another suggestion, it would be to move your glossary up to before the references – I almost didn’t notice you had a glossary hidden there. If someone wasn’t really looking, they might not spot it. Other than that, nice job!--z3252833 12:45, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
--Group 4 Fetal Fibronectin
Although this page had not as much detail put into it compared to previous pages, I found it much easier to read and absorb information. We must take into account that they have used a variety of sources so I am speculating that this is the more important information after researching this topic. So taking this into account I believe that this page is informative on the topic using a variety of sources, but hasn’t gone too in depth. The only advice I can give is to add some pictures or diagrams, even reproduce the information in a table to make it more interesting. Thanks guys you have done a great job.
--3290040 10:19, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
Group 5, the set out of your page is really good, its broken up into sections and there's lots of point form throughout which makes it really clear and easy to understand, except for current research.
What could be improved: More pictures would help break it up and make it more interesting, maybe a picture of the actual procedure would be good. Some more detail could be added to give it a more scientific aspect like for example in the procedure section, and maybe a section on the historic background, I think thats part of the marking criteria. Overall i think you've done a great job but just maybe add some more detail to give it a more scientific feel.
--z3292208 08:21, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
Hey guys good work with this assignment. The first thing I notice was there are not as many pictures as there are in other pages. However, what was there was relevant and easily readable.I think some more detail could be given in a few sections would help convey a more technical side of this subject matter.
--z3254753 17:20, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
Group 5 = I really like how all the parts are broken down into points which made it easy to follow except for the "current research" . It is very structured and the picture looks great.
What could be improved is adding more pictures and break down the current research into bullet points but other than that its great --Navneet Ahuja 12:26, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
Group 5: Foetal fibronectin What I found good about this assignment was that all the information was presented in a clear and organized manner, and did appear to have a teaching element to the project. There was a great amount of research and referencing done although it did lack a bit of a “scientific feel”.
What could be improved? Some extra pictures or tables could be added and also the glossary could probably be placed above the references so that it is easier to refer to it instead of having to scroll all the way down.
--z3254433 07:20, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
Hi Group 5, I liked the fact that everything is referenced, it made me feel like you have really researched what you are putting on here. Your page is very informative and i learnt alot about fetal fibronectin. i liked your student drawn diagram!
improvements: definitely extra pictures. If you cant find any that you can use, start emailing the companies, this is how i got most of our permissions, as i couldnt find any with permissions. as a last resort try wiki, all of their pictures arent copyright protected. Also, probably best to go through the criteria for the page, youve missed the history altogether. Here it is for you: project outline:
2. historic background
3. current associated research
4. simplified description of technique
5. student drawn figure or animation
6. reference list
8. external links
--z3265772 03:46, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
Reading through the information is quite easy, the headings and sub-headings makes it very clear to follow. Having questions as sub-headings makes it very user friendly to read and understand the fetal fibronectin test. However the history and development of the test is lacking. Also is the test specific for pre-mature birth detection only? please specify. The introduction also is a bit confusing where it say "Fetal fibronectin is a protein based plasma that acts as a form of glue attaching the amniotic sac to the uterine wall. Fetal fibronectin is commonly present between 22 to 35 weeks of pregnancy. It is released into the upper vagina towards the onset of labour. If the test finds fFN between this period, the woman will have a chance of going into labour" - what period are u talking about? when I read it, it seems to be prefering to 22-35 weeks of pregnancy as it state before, but it was mention that it was commonly to find fFN during that time, does that mean that it is common for women to have pre-mature births?
What could be improve would be providing a brief history of this test and fix up the introduction so it won't be confusing to the reader.
--3216889 13:53, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
--Mark Hill 00:55, 31 August 2010 (UTC) There is no content on your project page and you are not making appropriate progress. I expect you all at this weeks lab and an explanation as to why no one is adding content to your project page.
You need to have this updated before this weeks lab when I will be reviewing all projects.
--Mark Hill 04:44, 23 August 2010 (UTC) This is no where not good enough, I will need to talk to you in this weeks lab. Your group has not searched the scientific literature, found information about fibronectin or related images. Unless everyone here gets going on this project you will not be completed in time.
Dez--Seow Liew 09:10, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Hi,members,i have split the work up to 3 different constituent parts and each of us will get to pick 1
and do it.In addition,i have also roughly split the work up to 3 stages, which is:
a)collecting the information from different sources,
b)grouping the information,and
c)put what we get on group page.
-you just need to put your name next to the capitalised heading,(e.g PART C-Dez)to indicate you are up to that part.
-PART C is picked by me, so,options left are PART A and B only.
-You can always add in additional info, but i think it`s better we discuss it first when we figure or find it out(the ones you cant decide if they`re your part),so that we can discussion whose part it belongs to and who should do it, to kinda maintain the flow of the content.
-i`m aware that PART B is relatively short,i was outta ideas.Well, the point of PART B i make it mainly emphasizes on info related to how this test is carried out and 3rd party`s voices on this test.
The 3 different parts that i have split up are as following:
PART A - Jade
-what does this technique rely on?(fibronectin)
-Stuff about fn ,fibronectin,like the time or stage it forms during pregnancy.
-what does fn do in mom`s tummy during pregnancy.
-what kind of other abnormalities can this test predict? (mainly used for the prediction of preterm birth as far as i know)
-signs and events of preterm birth in mom`s tummy if there`s a high possibility the mom`s having a
preterm birth,like,cervix dilation , fn leaks outta vagina,etc.
-the relationship of fn and prediction of preterm birth.
(like comparison of fn between pregnant woman who are not at risk of preterm birth and those who are,etc)
-how does the test work? like,steps and procedures involve.
3rd party`s voices:
-what do the public doctors , pregnant woman say about this technique?-interview thing, vids( how this
test is carried out)
-who should take the test?
-What will the results tell about risk of delivering early?
-advantages of knowing the prediction.
-treatments for those who tested with positive result.
One last thing,
i think our primary source would be pubmed,of course there`re others too, but then the info isnt as
extensive and specific as pubmed,so go to it,look for the related journals and extract only details that
It`d be great if we could find more images and videos related to the info we get,by doing so,we could
make the page less lengthy and readers understand it better.
Looking forward to your comments,because i could be wrong.
--z3291079 12:21, 16 August 2010 (UTC) We should probably add something about the history of fetal f. Fit it in with part B?
heey , sorry for the late reply.Yea, it fits in with part B , sounds reasonable. Do you have any idea what it could be? and post some links on here , if you have some with you. --Seow Liew 06:57, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Hey guys I found a really good article about that defines what fetal fibronectin is and how it is used to determine preterm labour. I Don't know if I can copy paste because of the copyright and I forgot how to make a link so the website is http://www.ranzcog.edu.au/publications/statements/C-obs26.pdf , It's got bits and pieces of everyones parts if You guys want to look through it and pick out what would be of help to you. Also I found a video. It's that doctor that goes onto the Dr Phil show but it's pretty good. It was one of few that I could find soo look at it and tell me what you think. Its website is http://www.5min.com/Video/Learn-about-Fetal-Fibronectin-Test-114223707. If you can find any videos just post them up because I don't think there are many around. Also I've found articles that question the tests ability to undermine the occurrence of the pre-term birth. I don't know if this is significant enough to add in as we are essentially talking about it's role in identifying whether or not the mother is going to have a pre-term birth or not instead of whether the doctor can stop it. Tell me what you think. should I add it in or not? You can find the article at http://journals.lww.com/greenjournal/Abstract/1996/05000/The_Preterm_Prediction_Study__Fetal_Fibronectin.1.aspx. --Mary Nicolas 10:09, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
I think it is significant enough as it is an issue around this technique.I`d say add it in. --Seow Liew 07:12, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Yeah add this in cos you can say how it is a good technique but is not the best etc., etc. This could cover the topic of the reliability of this technique which we can look through. Some additional info i guess. --Jade Seenandan 03:02, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
Mary, you have one more part to do , which is the history of fetal fibronectin.( Like what inspired the Doc came up with this technique and is this technique a modified version of some technique, and of course it`d be great if you could find stuff like when the first time this technique was put to use, how was it and talk a little bit about the following tests,and important people involved.) --Seow Liew 06:57, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Hey guys, I've found an article that is a good reference describing the test...it's a good outline of what we need to know. I've found a site about fFN that may help, nothing major though. it also has a few references of articles on there that we could research. I'm going to post the subheadings up on the main page of what i think, let me know what you think but you guys can go ahead and change it :) - Jade
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2582650/?tool=pubmed --Jade Seenandan 03:18, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
Oh and if we can find anything about further research about fFN, about improving it or something then we should add that in --Jade Seenandan 03:33, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
I will do a drawing of fetal fibronectin in the womb, there's a great picture on the video that mary posted, so i will use that as a guide --Jade Seenandan 11:17, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
http://www.southernhealth.org.au/icms_docs/1197_Fetal_fibronectin_Quikcheck_in_threatened_peterm_labour.pdf Just some more info to help --Jade Seenandan 13:55, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Hey guys, kinda getting worried, we should really get a move on with this assignment lol. I'm going to draw a picture today and put it up. And hopefully finish my part of this assignment. Any feedback? --Jade Seenandan 00:16, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
hey guys don't worry about me I'm doing my work I just want to do it all before I put it up. The test results and procedure have been really easy to put together but the history is quite difficult as there is not demarcating date or person that used it first up... if that makes sense. I'll do it but I dont think I'm going to come up with a timeline like some of the other groups. --Mary Nicolas 04:06, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
@Mary:it`s alright ,Mary.Put up what you think is makes sense,we can then discuss on it and edit in the remaining days. @Jade:i realise you didn`t reference your work.So, i reckon you reference your work as soon as you can.--Seow Liew 10:27, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
We also need more images. It's hard to find non-copyrighted pictures for fFN. i'll draw another picture if really needed. --Jade Seenandan 12:38, 13 September 2010 (UTC)