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hey guys, i just moved the first section of info under procedure to the Intro because it's more general information on PUBS than the procedure itself. i think it makes more sense there than under procedure..hope that's ok! if not, feel free to move it
--Felicia Ton 14:48, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

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hey guys, i just moved the first section of info under procedure to the Intro because it's more general information on PUBS than the procedure itself. i think it makes more sense there than under procedure..hope that's ok! if not, feel free to move it --Felicia Ton 14:48, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

http://www.bartleby.com/107/illus39.html http://www.bartleby.com/107/12.html

http://www.glowm.com/?p=glowm.cml/section_view&articleid=212 http://www.glowm.com/?p=glowm.cml/section_view&articleid=220&SESSID=dh39ntamm6jj2ae677m99qbpb0#1529

hey guys do you know how to format references within the text? i cant seem to figure it out...--Shereen Sidhu 12:25, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

The thing about this image is that it lacks labels...


We can use it because a lot of other sites don't have clear copyright statements...what do you guys think? I'll keep looking for another one.

This website has some really great images but unfortunately I don't think we're allowed to use any of the content...it says at the bottom "Copyright 110 A.D.A.M., Inc. Any duplication or distribution of the information contained herein is strictly prohibited." I'm assuming that's including their images? http://www.pennmedicine.org/health_info/pregnancy/000247.htm I've also just gone through the Procedure. Let me know if it's ok or if you want to make further changes --Felicia Ton 20:01, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Oh and another thing, should we include a pros and cons for using PUBS? or will that be covered when we compare the procedure with other prenatal diagnostic procedures...? seeing as it is a relatively new procedure, a timeline should be sufficient for the history section

Under the Risks and Complications section, I think it would be easier to understand if we highlight some of the most common complications and expand on those as opposed to just having a general discussion. I've focused on: haematoma of the cord, haemorrhage, bradycardia, premature birth, and fetal death. Is that okay or have I missed something important? --Felicia Ton 18:22, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi Sayanthan and Shereen,

I've just gone through the Introduction and changed a few things and paraphrased. I've written a section for the risk factors that is still being reviewed but will have it up by Sat. I have the journal articles which I'm using and will put up all the references when I've finalised the couple of paragraphs I have. Feel free to change anything again if needed.

Here's the link to one of the articles I used: http://www.journals.elsevierhealth.com/periodicals/eurold/article/0028-2243%2893%2990234-4/abstract

I'm working on some pictures for methodology also and will put them on here so that we can decide whether or not to use them. I can write a section on therapeutic PUBS, it'll be short but definitely worth mentioning. How are your drawings and timeline going? I can have everything up by Saturday afternoon. I'll be focusing on this for the next few days so that we can have it ready to be peer reviewed by Monday?

Meeting up on Monday sounds good. I have a break straight after our Embryology lecture? Does that work for both of you? --Felicia Ton 18:10, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

I've just put up the the sub heading we should have done by the 16th of September and anything else we can add on to the website will be to our advantage cause we went through some of the other assignments and they're extremely good. Also can both off you please read through the things i put up under procedure, introduction and now Disorders and Abnormalities Found by PUBS and compare them with other groups to see if were actually on the right track. Also the I'm going to draw the pictures and put them up and i'll also have a timeline done. Also if you are OK can we all meet up on the Monday before the assignment is first due so we can finalize everything. Look forward to hearing from both of you..

Thanks --Sayanthan Kumaran 00:39, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Hey, ive found this website with a movie on it and this will be an external link for the procedure and this is the website.


Also i'll put up the website i used to do both the introduction and procedure the only problem now is that we need to put pictures in but apparently they have to be able to be reproduced. Can't be copyrighted.

Also i've put in the headings and i was wondering if anyone wanted to add into the assignment PUBS as a treatment method. Let us know.


--Sayanthan Kumaran 00:39, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Hey Sayanthan,

With the Introduction, where did you get the information from? we're going to need to reference this properly because when I was having a look at the brief overview of the process on this website, http://www.labtestsonline.org/understanding/wellness/second_cordo.html it's pretty much exactly the same. I'm sure it is fine but we just need to keep track of exactly where we sourced all of our information

--Felicia Ton 23:24, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

--Mark Hill 00:51, 31 August 2010 (UTC) OK I cannot see any progress on this project since August 24, 2010. Also I can only see contributions from Z3252635. There will need to be substantial work on this project and need to have this updated before this weeks lab when I will be reviewing all projects.

Hi there,

I too think the second draft is easier to follow. I have a few articles on the diagnostic information that this method can obtain and the risks involved in the process. Sorry I haven't posted anything earlier I've had quite a lot on my plate but will definitely put everything that I have up here in the next week. On top of the circumstances for which PUBS would be appropriate, maybe if we also add to that section or the risk factors section, reasons for which it should not be used? I'll just keep researching --Felicia Ton 16:27, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

hey sayanthan i've read your drafts and i like the second one better because it is more thorough i reckon and the way you've set it out in steps makes it easier to follow and understand. i also like your idea about making a timeline diagram of the history.

maybe other subheadings you could use under the method section are:

- circumstances which call for using PUBS

- what diagnostic information it can obtain

- the consequences and indications of results

these are just a few i can think of right now. if i come up with anymore i'll let u know. so you want to do the intro, history, procedure and risks...but isnt that like almost everything? I'll start the comparison to other methods table this week and i'll post the draft as soon as i can. --Shereen Sidhu 02:21, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

--Mark Hill 04:43, 23 August 2010 (UTC) OK so you now have an idea about some of the content and subheadings. I would like to see some more scientific literature sourced and referenced for your project. There are also no related images here yet. tick..tock...

I've added two different types of procedure or methodology of PUBS on the main page. If both of you could tell me which one is better I will leave that on the page and take the other one off. I was also hoping if again both of you could check it for me and please give me a bit of feedback thanks. I also wanted to ask for another favour. I've started the the methodology section and was wondering what sub heading could come under this section. I have a couple of idea but i would like some more and even some much better ones. The subheading I've come up with are:

  • Who is eligible for the test
  • When can the test be taken
  • Steps of the procedure

I've also started working on the history section and hope to have my first draft done by the end of the week. I will try to have it done by Thursdays lab but I won't make any promises.

As well just wanted to remind both of you that Mark Hill will be looking through the page and this disscussion page in extreme detail this week so we really should have a decent amount of work up on the page. At least the backbone of the page by this mean the heading. I also want to add a friendly reminder that the assignments submission for peer assignment is in approximately 3 weeks.

Hope to here from you soon

--Sayanthan Kumaran 12:15, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

I just added a draft introduction on to the page and I would really like it if you could check it for me and give me a bit of feedback please.

Thanks for checking this for me

--Sayanthan Kumaran 14:58, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

I was thinking that as one of the self drawn picture we could do a small timeline in the history section but let us know what you think. Also I found some good pictures for the method so if we were gonna do the self drawn pictures there as well we could use them as a guideline.

As well like said before im willing to do the introduction, the history, the procedure and also risks involved as risks involved, i think will not consist of much. Let me know if u guys are ok with that.


--Sayanthan Kumaran 12:10, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry I haven't actually added anymore links, I have more it just that I have an assignment due on Friday that I've turned my attention to so, ill have more up on the disscussion page on Friday night.

--Sayanthan Kumaran 06:37, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Hey I went over some off the information out there for the assignment including Pubmed and the other one and I have found some simple information that will help us with writting up the assignment. Some of the websites go over the same thing over and over again but I thought that it would be helpful to write the introduction.The links to the websites are below and some of these will only be useful for pictures but we need the pictures anyway.

1.Procedure: http://adam.about.com/encyclopedia/Percutaneous-umbilical-cord-blood-sampling-series.htm

2. General Information: http://www.americanpregnancy.org/prenataltesting/percutaneousumbilical.html

3. Similarities and Difference to other procedures: http://www.umm.edu/pregnancy/000229.htm

4. Help with writing the Introduction: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Handbook_of_Genetic_Counseling/Percutaneous_Umbilical_Blood_Sampling

5. Helps with the Introduction: http://www.mombaby.org/index.php?c=-1&s=14&p=45

6.Basic Information: http://www.labtestsonline.org/understanding/wellness/second_cordo.html

I also wanted to know who is taking what on board for the assignment cause really we should have by the end of next week have most of the planning finished. I am happy to take on the Introduction, The History Section, Methodology, Risk associated and ill actually try having half of the list done by next week and the post it up here so that everyone go through it and make sure if everything is right.

The next thing i wanted to ask is if either of you were will to take the layout of the website into consideration. It would be nice to have a brief structure of the layout and to tell you the truth im not really good with spacially arranging things so yeah. Just post a message up if you are willing to take this is on board.

Also please feel free to add info you find that might help us on the disscussion cause Mark Hill is gonna be going through this every week. Again feel free to change anything you think may make the assignemnt better.

Cya in Class --Sayanthan Kumaran 06:32, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

I also wanted to add my uni zmail account cause that might be an easier way to keep in touch with me. My zmail email address is z3252635@student.unsw.edu.au

--Sayanthan Kumaran 08:53, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Hey guys over the last week i have been looking at different websites that may have a similar structure to the website we have to create, and this is just my so called ideas on how we could structure the website. So my structure of the website goes a little like this:

1. Title

2. Introduction - Gives basic information on the topic. A brief overview of the prenatal diagnostic method

3. History - The history of the method. Who was the first doctor to use it, when, where, why and so on. We could add the advance in how the technique is done here or in the next section.

4. Methodology - So this would be a step by step instructions of how the technique is done.

5. Similarities and Differences to other methods - This would include a table with other methods and we would compare. Stating the disadvantages and advantages and so on. We could then go on to compare the 2 closest methods in more detail (paragraph form)

6. Risk Associated - This would simply outline the risks of the procedure.

7. Ethical Issues - If any are found

8. References

So that pretty much what I've come up with over the last week. Feel free to add your comments. I'll also try to find some information on the method itself.

Thanks --Sayanthan Kumaran 10:00, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

shereen's email address - z3293029@student.unsw.edu.au

the subheadings are good i reckon. pretty much covers everything we need to talk about. just remember we'll need to add a glossary in at the end and some self-drawn diagrams that would probably fit best in the method section. so how do you guys wanna split up the topics? i was thinking someone could do intro and history, someone else method and pros and cons and the third person could do risks and ethical issues. what do you think? sayanthan what do you mean by the layout? shouldn't we just structure in the order above from intro to ethical issues, using them as headings? and then within the headings you can divide into subheadings, use diagrams or tables according to what works best for the info... i guess we'll work it out when we get all our information so we know how best to convey it. do you guys have any section you would prefer to do? --Shereen Sidhu 11:30, 18 August 2010 (UTC)