Talk:2014 Group Project 1

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The introduction was written quite well as it explains what the respiratory system is about and the origin of its development. It also briefly highlights the difference between the embryonic and fetal stage which is important in enabling the viewers to have an understanding on what the project will be focusing on. I also like how the group distinguished between the two zones of the respiratory tract and adequately described the features and function of each. The content in the lung development stages clearly relates to the topic and underlines fetal development. The group briefly mentioned the key features in each stage instead of pasting a whole lot of information; this makes it easier for viewers to understand. Overall the content relates to the learning objectives of embryology and the level of research is good as exemplified under ‘Current Research and Findings’ and ‘abnormalities’ (many forms of diseases described).

The images under introduction and the image used for Meconium aspiration syndrome have not been referenced properly as there is missing information such as ((Template: Student Image)), description, copyright information and proper references for some. The image used under the ‘current research and findings’ subheading is a good example for the group to copy the referencing style. It is also vital that the group adds a brief description of what the image illustrates as a footnote to help viewers understand the relation of the content and image (this is seen in the image under ‘surfactant’). More images could be added such as in the ‘lung development stage’ and under abnormalities. If images for lung development stages aren’t easily accessible, it is perhaps a good idea to draw them. The table format used for ‘lung development stages’ makes it easy for the viewers to navigate which is a good feature used in the project.

In terms of referencing, there are many in-cite references missing such as in the ‘introduction’ and in ‘lung development stages’. It is important to have these references formatted correctly under the one ‘references’ subheading. There seems to be many ‘references’ subheadings making it harder for viewers to navigate. Some references are shown as ‘ </li> which needs to be fixed right away. Overall, the content seems well written, formatted and concise making it easy to understand. However the problems related to referencing needs to be corrected as this is inconsistent throughout the project.

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This project was done really well. All key points, i.e. development, historic findings, etc., were clearly described. In terms of content, this group did a great job. It is very informative and all information they have included are relevant to the topic. There are a few mentions of embryonic stage but I do understand why, particularly for the development of the respiratory system. The developmental timeline is good but an image about the development would make it better. Remember to add in-text citations for this part. Historic findings section is very detailed and exceptional. Abnormalities is done well. A couple or more images would make this section really great. There are images that help with understanding the content. Try to find information on current treatments and/or management techniques for each disease.

However, some images have no captions and so some seem vague as to what they’re about. There are a few images missing copyright, specifically the 2nd photo on the project page and the historical image of lung development. From what I know, images from textbooks normally can’t be used because of copyright. The content is cited and referenced correctly. A bit messy with the references right now but I understand why. Just don’t forget to organise it before submission. Also, don’t forget to mention the other sections in the introduction. Overall, this project is done really well. It is very informative and easy to understand. In summary, just a few more images and correction of typos and this project would be remarkable. Well done!

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Firstly, great job on the layout and formatting of the project, everything is easy to find and overall, it reads well. The introduction provides great insight of what to expect on the page. However, it lacks in-text citations for the first three subheadings of the page, as well as the table of lung developmental stages. The first two images also don’t have a description when I click on it, I don’t know what I’m looking at. The “student template” is also missing for the images. I would suggest you look up the tutorial for uploading images on the pages as Mark has extensive information for the proper steps required for uploading images. Otherwise, the lung developmental stages table is informative and easy to read. I would also recommend adding an image for better visualization of the developmental process.

The historical findings and current research models have very detailed content, and look as though they have been referenced correctly using in-text citations, I’m impressed. Although, I would suggest you leave all the references to the end by simply putting </references> at the bottom of the page, as it looks neater to have them all in one place, rather than at the bottom of each sub-heading. The abnormalities section is done well and there are a wide number of abnormalities covered. The detail of the first two is more in depth than the rest, I’m unsure whether they was more information on those particular abnormalities or their still needs to be information added, but I suggest to have the same amount of information on each disease, if possible.
Overall, the project is very informative and presented well. It just need a few minor edits.

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The introduction provided good background information about the lungs and its general development, however seemed to lack any further explanation as to what else would be covered on the page (current research, abnormalities). I found most of the sentences to be short and abrupt, and more in the form of statements rather than an explanation. This is the same for the following paragraphs regarding the two zones. I would combine several of the sentences together, and restructure them so that they do not start in the same manner e.g. of the first four sentence in your introduction, three of them begin with the words ‘The respiratory system’, and over half the sentences in the entire paragraph begin with ‘The’. There are a few grammatical errors within the text that should be corrected e.g. ‘till’ of ‘until’, ‘id’ instead of ‘is’. The images used fit well, but there is no caption to explain what they are images of and what they are trying to show. This is also not indicated on the summary of the image, one of which also doesn’t include any copyright information.

The lung development stages were done very well, simplified and tabulated making it very clear. My only concern for this part is that it should be the main part of the project, the area where the development of the lungs is fully explained, yet it is the smallest section of the page. Try to expand on it maybe? Or add a picture or two to enlarge the section?

The current research and findings section seems very thorough, lots of content, good explanations. Very minor problems however; a slight tendency to over use commas in some areas, while not in others. The current models area has not been added to; make sure to fill it in, or will it be scrapped? I have also noticed a picture has been deleted so make sure to get that issue fixed if you still want to use the same image. Is the second picture under this heading part of the section? As it is after the references so I'm not sure where it lies exactly. The image should be captioned as well.

I really like the historical findings section, the information seems more concise when it is presented in bullet points. The second picture within this section is well done and very neatly labeled (I thought it was an image from the internet). The first picture though, needs a caption added as well as copyright information. The abnormalities section is very extensive which can be bother good and bad. For some of the abnormalities there is a lot of detail presented, while for others there is very little. I think maybe that as long as you mention what it is, how you get it/how it forms, some statistics and maybe an image, that should be more than enough. Also, I would remove all the sub-headings under abnormalities and have them just written in bold. Otherwise, when looking at the contents at the top of the page, it looks as though half your page is solely focused on abnormalities.

Overall, I think this page is well done and only a focus on sentence structure, a bit on grammar, and captioning pictures with correct copyright info is needed. Other than these main focus areas, one other point to make would be all the references should be at the bottom of the page.

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In this review I intend to highlight the merits of your project as well as provide some constructive criticism in light of the marking criteria of this task.

The page is well structured and provides perfect balance between written text and images. However some of the included images do not compliment the text. I suggest adding labels or descriptive annotations to these images using paint. You could also include a simple written description of what each image showing. Alternatively you could refer to these images in your text e.g “ as seen in Figure 4a” and use them to make the content more engaging. I found the table on the stages of lung development really effective way of organising the content and I was able to understand much of it in a quick glimpse! I like how the text is summarised and highlights the main developmental changes that are occurring at each stage. Just to make it more engaging, perhaps you could include matching images in a another column.

Under the section of current findings, I believe that most of the information included is relevant and incredibly appropriate articles have been selected. I think its good that this section is delving into the area of molecular signalling underlying the morphological changes that we see. I believe your project would greatly benefit if there was more material discussing the biochemical signalling and recent findings in relation to this. However, I am not sure if the details on cell type should be in this section, this section might need some re-organising.

I understand that the history is a difficult topic to research. The information on our understanding of surfactant is appropriate, detailed and very informative. However I think you need to include more information on our understanding of stages in fetal lung development. Explore the transition in research focus investigating morphology to molecular changes. Perhaps use the library database to find relevant historic journal articles in the database. It was good to see the use of relevant historic images.

A number of abnormalities have been identified and described, I think its great that each section includes a description of the abnormality, and goes on to discuss the cause and implications of each disease. I would only recommend including matching images to make this section more engaging to readers. Great Work!

Overall the project is coming along really well ! Just ensure that you proof read and review before the final submission. Also include in-text references and compile all your references to one section at the end of the page. Good Luck!!

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Well explained introduction and the histological images provided are great.
In the first section the addition of in text citations would be useful. The content is explained really well and a good use of detail in the paragraphs is not too overwhelming. Good use of formatting with the inclusion of the table, helps to keep the content clear and concise. The current research, findings and models is present really well, good use of referencing and in text citations. Current findings, models and research is presented really well, good use of referencing and in text citations. Information is clear and with sufficient detail. There are a variety of formatting techniques used which is great to see. Good use of images, however seems to be missing info, suggest filling it out and maybe fixing some of the formatting errors shown but otherwise really well done. This section shows a good amount of research conducted. The historic findings are also well presented, the use of dot points to format the info is very useful and provides clarity. A timeline for the key historic dates might be helpful and another use of visuals. Great to see a variety of abnormalities, shows an extensive research really well presented. Would be great to see more images for this section and maybe drawings too.

This group overall has done really well, there are only a couple of suggestions for the page to be complete these include filling in the missing info under the sub heading ‘current models’. The in text citations and referencing in the first section should be added in to avoid losing marks. Also try adding captions to some of the images, a brief description of what the image is showing. Evidently the research conducted has been quite extensive and the group has worked well to ensure all parts are completed equally. Overall the page is structured really well and organized in an understandable manner. The use of a variety of images and formatting techniques is really great. Just a few minor adjustments and this page will be really great. Great work everyone !

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The intro is very good and the images are a good size but there needs to be some description to make it relevant to the project. Need to edit ‘Conducting Zone’ info since there are some grammatical and spelling errors. Also should have in-text referencing in this section of the project with a long list of all the references at the end. You can go onto other people’s reports to find the coding for this reference style.

The information on the lung development timeline is fantastic but it is a bit dense. Splitting it into bullet points might be a better way of organising it so peers get a more effective learning experience when they read it. In the conducting system under current findings it looks like there has been an attempt to upload an image called “400px” however the link leads nowhere. It has great information, very interesting and concise. However the references at the end of this section should be incorporated at the very end of the wiki page. This would make it flow better.

Excellent images of the diseased lung compared to normal lung, however it might make more sense for these to be under the lung abnormalities subheading. There is excellent information on the historical findings. It has been written in an easy to understand manner and all the information is relevant. There is also excellent referencing and good use of diagrams. However I still think that the references should all be together at the very end of the project page.

The abnormalities section is very in depth however there is a bit too much information. It would be easier to follow and more interesting if there were images associated with the information, or maybe if the information was tabulated that would make it easier to follow. Well done on this project! It is clear that a lot of research has been done outside.

--[[User:Z3333429|Z3333429]] ([[User talk:Z3333429|talk]]) 16:13, 17 August 2014 (EST)
Hey guys, it's Emanuel
I've had a look into the systems and respiratory caught my interest. I wanted to do cardio but another group has already chosen it so I think we should choose a system ASAP.

Respiratory looks like it has plenty of resources and there are some interesting abnormalities gat I found on this page:
[http://embryology.med.unsw.edu.au/embryology/index.php?title=Respiratory_System_-_Abnormalities Respiratory Abnormalities]

Do you guys have any other systems you would like to do or do you like respiratory?

--[[User:Z3372817|Z3372817]] ([[User talk:Z3372817|talk]]) 20:07, 17 August 2014 (EST)
Hey Emanuel, its Ish here.

As we said on the day, we're fine with anything. So if it's still free, let's lock it in before another group claims it?

--[[User:Z3333429|Z3333429]] ([[User talk:Z3333429|talk]]) 20:59, 17 August 2014 (EST) Alright awesome, well I guess we're the Respiratory group. How do we let Dr Hill know?

--[[User:Z3330991|Z3330991]] ([[User talk:Z3330991|talk]]) 22:30, 17 August 2014 (EST) Hi guys, it's Nadine. I'm happy to do the respiratory system :) I'm sure we have to email him, I'll do that now, since we all seem to be on the same page and in agreement with the respiratory system.

--[[User:Z3330991|Z3330991]] ([[User talk:Z3330991|talk]]) 22:56, 17 August 2014 (EST) Just emailed Dr Mark and put a heading "respiratory" on our group page :)
Also we each need to pick one of the following;
# Review that system development during the fetal period.
# Identify current research models and finding.
# Identify historic findings.
# Identify abnormalities that can occur in this system during fetal period.
I'm happy to do number 1. Unless someone else wants to?

--[[User:Z3333429|Z3333429]] ([[User talk:Z3333429|talk]]) 06:09, 18 August 2014 (EST)Thanks Nadine, I'll do number 4 if that's all good with you guys?

--[[User:Z3372817|Z3372817]] ([[User talk:Z3372817|talk]]) 19:54, 18 August 2014 (EST) Great work with allocating Nadine. I'd love to do the historic findings (number 3) that sounds interesting! Only if that's okay with you all though?

--[[User:Z3332339|Z3332339]] ([[User talk:Z3332339|talk]]) 15:17, 19 August 2014 (EST) Hey Guys! It's marina here :), I'm happy with number 2. If anyone comes across information for other parts of the project, let's let each other know :)

--[[User:Z3330991|Z3330991]] ([[User talk:Z3330991|talk]]) 21:07, 26 August 2014 (EST)Hi guys its Nadine, just wanted to let you guys know that i added in subheadings to our page :) So feel free to add to your sections -pictures -articles -tables

--[[User:Z3332339|Z3332339]] ([[User talk:Z3332339|talk]]) 23:58, 26 August 2014 (EST)Marina: Thanks Nadine :) I'm just going to add our names next to each section that we are looking at so its easier to communicate with with one another and who's doing what :)

# Review that system development during the fetal period-Nadine
# Identify current research models and finding-Marina
# Identify historic findings-Ish
# Identify abnormalities that can occur in this system during fetal period-Emanuel

--[[User:Z3333429|Z3333429]] ([[User talk:Z3333429|talk]]) 12:58, 27 August 2014 (EST)
'''Topics to cover'''
#Major stages of development - all fetal (only primordial embryonic development)
#Histological findings
#Separate into Functional elements (alveoli) and Tract (conducting system: upper and lower)
#Include diaphragm (musculoskeletal)
#Changes after birth

--[[User:Z3333429|Z3333429]] ([[User talk:Z3333429|talk]]) 12:20, 2 September 2014 (EST) Emanuel: Hey guys just letting you know that I spoke to Dr Hill before the lecture with Carl from the cardio group about using review articles. He said we are allowed to use them as long as we refer to them appropriately (e.g as reviewed in..., according to review by..., etc).
He also said that any direct findings need to be referenced from the original article and not a review article.
We can reference to them as mentioned above and we can also add a subheading under references titled "review articles" if we want. When we start to formulate the page we can look at what previous projects have done when organising their review article references for ideas.
In regards to using images from review articles - there is no need to cite them as coming from review article.

--[[User:Z3333429|Z3333429]] ([[User talk:Z3333429|talk]]) 15:41, 2 September 2014 (EST) Emanuel: Hey guys just looking through the lecture and I noticed the part about the development of the pharynx. It develops with the foregut (oesophagus) of the GIT. What do you think if Nadine mentions that groups page in an appendix for her section to link the two pages? There is also a relationship between the development of the liver in wk7 that stops the descent of the heart and lungs so it could make our project more interesting in that it links out page with others offering a wider scope of information along with our specific topic.

--[[User:Z3332339|Z3332339]] ([[User talk:Z3332339|talk]]) 11:37, 3 September 2014 (EST)Marina: Yeh I agree! I noticed that too Emanuel. The development of the oesophagus from the foregut and how it bifurcated from the common pharynx into the trachea is very much related to our topic. We can definitely include those relationships, and any others we come across

--[[User:Z3333429|Z3333429]] ([[User talk:Z3333429|talk]]) 22:47, 9 September 2014 (EST) Emanuel: Hey Ish, just came across these articles regarding historical findings for pulmonary surfactant:

[http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18446178 Surfactants: past, preset and future.]

[http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14509914 The era of pulmonary surfactant from Laplace to nowadays]

Mary Ellen Avery and Jere Mead seem to be the godparents of surfactant discovery.
I also noticed that there is a little tool on the right hand side of the pubmed page when you search for articles called "Results by year". It's a little bar graph showing which years had the most articles and you can click on each year to bring up it's articles. This might be helpful if your looking for articles that sparked an increase in research by clicking on the years just before the spikes in articles.

--[[User:Z3372817|Z3372817]] ([[User talk:Z3372817|talk]]) 15:49, 16 September 2014 (EST) That is just amazing Emanuel, thanks! Just another thing I wanted to ask, I noticed you took notes when Mark came by to talk to our group at the last lab. When he was saying to focus on things like..
Yeah, do you mind just typing up what you had written. That would be so helpful!

--[[User:Z3332339|Z3332339]] ([[User talk:Z3332339|talk]]) 23:33, 16 September 2014 (EST)Marina: Hey guys, just uploaded an image onto our page. It's under current research because its something scientists are looking at the moment with tracking abnormalities. The picture compares the normal structure of a lung to a couple of diseased ones. I know this also links to other parts of our project so we can shift it around later if need be. Mark wanted a picture uploaded before tomorrow, so at least we have something up there for now :)

--[[User:Z3330991|Z3330991]] ([[User talk:Z3330991|talk]]) 12:13, 17 September 2014 (EST) Nadine here, just wanted to inform you that we have a new group assessment that will be marked individually we need to pick 2-3 research papers on stem biology and we need to summarize the paper and present it in week 12 as a group. You will get an email in regards to this set assignment, just thought I'd give you a head up.

--[[User:Z3333429|Z3333429]] ([[User talk:Z3333429|talk]]) 12:44, 17 September 2014 (EST) Emanuel: This is for Ish, I found a link on the respiratory pages that should help you out. Just go to one of the pages (e.g Respiratory System - Abnormalities) and there is a 'Historic Embryology' link just after the introduction. It's small and in a blue box so click on it to expand. It has some really good links that will hopefully help you. Something else that was interesting was the disclaimer at the bottom of the links stressing that the content and scientific understanding are specific to the time of publication. You may want to ask Dr Hill if you need to include that at the bottom of the page to make sure that our audience does not get confused.

--[[User:Z3372817|Z3372817]] ([[User talk:Z3372817|talk]]) 13:27, 17 September 2014 (EST) Ish: Yup, I've seen that Emanuel. I sort of wrote a paragraph along those lines as an introduction to my section which serves as a type of disclaimer too, but I'll reconfirm with Mark whether it's necessary to have anything in addition to that. Nadine, thanks for the heads up.

--[[User:Z3330991|Z3330991]] ([[User talk:Z3330991|talk]]) 16:21, 1 October 2014 (EST) Nadine: Hey guys, just wanted to remind you that by the end of this week all information should up for your section. Make sure that references are included, pictures if needed.

--[[User:Z3372817|Z3372817]] ([[User talk:Z3372817|talk]]) 20:34, 1 October 2014 (EST) Ish: Hey guys, anyone else having issues with the website lately? I'm trying to upload an image - can't. I completed my latest lab assessment a couple days ago and saved it - lost it. So just to be safe, once you've written everything you need down in your sections, copy and paste EVERYTHING into a separate word doc. Don't want you guys to lose hours of work like I did.

--[[User:Z3332339|Z3332339]] ([[User talk:Z3332339|talk]]) 19:02, 3 October 2014 (EST) Marina: Hey Ish yeh im also having trouble with it as well. Even the "uploading image" button is inactive for me, apparently others are having as few problems with this as well. Can you guys check if you yours is visible at the moment? I know this must be recent as you guys have uploaded images and i was able to before. Maybe it has to do with the website change Dr Mark was talking about.

--[[User:Z3330991|Z3330991]] ([[User talk:Z3330991|talk]]) 21:10, 4 October 2014 (EST) Nadine: Thanks Ish! i had the same problem happened twice to me! But it worked out for me in the end. So i have been looking around -projects from years before us and i really like this layout. Have a look if you get the chance [https://embryology.med.unsw.edu.au/embryology/index.php/2012_Group_Project_3]

--[[User:Z3332339|Z3332339]] ([[User talk:Z3332339|talk]]) 22:50, 4 October 2014 (EST) Marina: Hey Nardine, i really like that layout, hopefully we can get something similar to that going for us as well :) I'm sorry I havent been able to upload any images as the tab for me is unavailable, i emailed Dr mark about it though so hopefully that gets fixed soon.

--[[User:Z3332339|Z3332339]] ([[User talk:Z3332339|talk]]) 22:51, 4 October 2014 (EST) Marina: I was thinking of adding a heading titled "Glossary" at the very end of our project for us to add any words we want to define.... what do you guys think of this?

--[[User:Z3330991|Z3330991]] ([[User talk:Z3330991|talk]]) 20:33, 7 October 2014 (EST) Nadine: Hey Marina, i like that idea heaps and i was also thinking of drawing for my section i found a great paper with fantastic pictures but i cant find the copyright information its off Nature, or I'll just figure something out

--[[User:Z3330991|Z3330991]] ([[User talk:Z3330991|talk]]) 20:36, 7 October 2014 (EST) Nadine: Hey I was thinking we need to get on top of the week 12 project maybe we can talk about this further tomorrow? I just dont want all of the good papers to go fast and we get left with really hard ones.

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