So as discussed
We are each working on the following;
Nany;
• History
• Current Research and Future Directions
Samantha;
• Science
• Risks and Regulations
Alix;
• Uses
• Advantages vs. Disadvantages
--[[User:Z3288088|Alix Belcher]] 00:51, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Hello again! No problems, Nany. Nice start with the history; I think it's going to be easier to talk tomorrow than to write it here. It's hard to show what I've got since at the moment I'm mostly using a completely non-digital (and thus non-linkable) resource; a book called Diagnostic Ultrasound: Principles and Intstruments. Thihttp://php.med.unsw.edu.au/embryology/index.php?title=Talk:2010_Group_Project_1&action=edits is it, but you can't preview it online:

[http://books.google.com.au/books?id=kK2PQgAACAAJ&dq=diagnostic+ultrasound+principles+and+instruments&hl=en&ei=htBrTMaNFNO6ce6t8Fo&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAA]

Also, this site by Discovery Health gives a simple overview of the workings of Ultrasound: [http://health.howstuffworks.com/medicine/tests-treatment/ultrasound2.htm Discovery Health Ultrasound]

See you tomorrow!--[[User:Z3252833|z3252833]] 12:30, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Hey guys...sorry for the last minute thing la ... its been a really hectic week and yes i do totally agree with the "table" idea since if it was me i would want all important points summarised as well ... and the time line for the history part is a must but since there is soooo much info for the history .. we gotta select out the most important once i guess.. !!! Ok here we go ...History of ultrasound...

In order to know how ultrasound works we first need to understand how sound waves work..i found not an article but a full website based on how it was developed .. errm .. it gives us an "IN DEPT" detail from 1826 .. Like i think we really select the information ...

1974= As for high frequency 'ultrasound', Lazzaro Spallanzani, an Italian biologist, could be credited for it's discovery

1826 = Jean-Daniel Colladon, a Swiss physicist, had successfully used an underwater bell to determine the speed of sound in the waters

1880 = The real breakthrough in the evolution of high frequency echo-sounding techniques was discovered by Pierre Curie and his brother Jacques Curie

1914 = The first working sonar system was designed and built in the United States by Canadian Reginald Fessenden

(this is just an example of the first couple of paragraph ...!! lol )

[http://www.ob-ultrasound.net/ultrasonics_history.html History summaried]

[http://www.ob-ultrasound.net/history1.html Full History] --[[User:Z3305561|Navneet Ahuja]] 11:21, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

No worries! :)

What you've outlined sounds fantastic to me (and kudos for being so organised). Awesome! Honestly, I think our main problem is just going to be keeping it concise, since we need to keep a focus on diagnosing abnormalities too. Do you think a table would be a good way to present it? Just 'cause this is supposed to be aimed at our peers, and I know heaps of text makes me zone out but tables seem to make information easier to digest. Just a thought...

And - also just a thought - maybe we could do a timeline diagram of the history, too, to make it easier to read? It's also another way we can make our own diagram, which means we don't have to tackle all those copyright issues and we fulfill assessment criteria. I'm trying to put the "How it works" into a table or a flowchart, though I'm still researching it as well.

Is everyone doing alright with their bits so far? :) --[[User:Z3252833|z3252833]] 23:47, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Oops, well I was just following Nany :P

So ultrasounds are done differently at different stages of the pregnancy, in the first, second and third trimester and they can also be used in the delivery process. Therefore I think the use and techniques of ultrasound would be best divided up into those 4 categories;

1. First Trimester

Ultrasounds preformed vaginally

2. Second Trimester

Ultrasounds preformed on maternal abdomen

3. Third Trimester

Also preformed on mummy’s tummy

4. Delivery

To guide the inducing of a foetus or to determine if a caesarean is necessary

[http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20173318 Ultrasound in Labour and Delivery]

The routine ultrasound done for most women at 18-20 weeks generally looks for the following things;

• Foetal growth

• Foetal age/Delivery date

• Heartbeat

• Placental positioning

• Identify possible congenital abnormalities

• Detect ectopic pregnancies

• Check for multiple pregnancy

• Determine sex (just out of interest to parents, not medically necessary)

The below articles looks at some of the above characteristics and how they are used;

[http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11930060 US evaluation of foetal growth: prediction of neonatal outcomes.]

[http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18538160 First- vs second-trimester ultrasound: the effect on pregnancy dating and perinatal outcomes.]

[http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11331644 Transvaginal sonographic assessment of cervical length changes during triplet gestation.]

Also used to guide other diagnostic procedures such as chronic villus sampling and amniocentesis.

That’s mostly normal uses at the moment, will look at their use in diagnosis of abnormalities later

--[[User:Z3288088|z3288088]] 01:57, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Hey again guys! (I think we're supposed to post at the top of the page instead of the bottom, so that's what I'm doing, if you're wondering.) So in terms of links to search Pubmed I made these last week on my student page so I'll paste them here. And I also have the Wiki code here for making the reference list and referencing Pubmed articles, for future reference.

Search Bookshelf: [http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=Books&cmd=search&term=Ultrasound Ultrasound]

Search Pubmed: [http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=pubmed&cmd=search&term=Ultrasound Ultrasound]

Ultrasound and the risk of nosocomial cross infection <ref><pubmed>20681005</pubmed></ref>

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--[[User:Z3252833|z3252833]] 01:32, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi group! So we should probably decide how much of the incredible amount of information on ultrasounds we're going to cover. I'm going to suggest - and feel free to disagree/agree/comment/whatever - that we do a least a bit on the sicence of how ultrasounds actually work before going into how you can use them to diagnose conditions prenatally. We're supposed to have at least one student-drawn diagram on our page and I figure we could have a diagram explaining how an ultrasound works, which would cover that objective. If you guys think it's an okay idea, I'd like to offer to cover this point - I love finding out how things work.

Also, if you have the time, could we just quickly email each other (even just a blank email) so we know the addresses work and no-one has a wrong spelling or anything? And whilst you guys have my email, I failed to be organised and don't have yours, so if it's not too much trouble to drop me a line... Thanks! :) --[[User:Z3252833|z3252833]] 01:18, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

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hey there ... ermm i totally think the knowing how it works before jumping to prenatal diagnosis would be a great idea...and I am totally cool if you want the hand drawn image to be on how ultrasound works ... but wont that be complicated ? isnt drawing prenatal ultrasound be easier (like a pregnant women and the machine on her stomach) - if that made anysense lol .. and yes i would send u both email immidiatly ... (nany) :) --[[User:Z3305561|Navneet Ahuja]] 09:05, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

The science idea sounds good, and I agree with Sam it would be a good one for a diagram. I also think a historical overview of the development and use of ultrasound might be good. Then what its used for in terms of diagnosis (obviously necessary) and perhaps also a section on the risks, though they are few they do exist and there are reports/studies on them. I think this would be interesting... Anyway I will see you in 20minutes-ish so we can discuss it. --[[User:Z3288088|z3288088]] 22:42, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
PS. forgot to email you, will do soon :)

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